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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2010, 11:38:15 AM »

If you have some time please write an email raising your concerns over the proposed bill (send emails to: mnathan@parliament.gov.za) or just simply copy the email below and send it to mnathan@parliament.gov.za (NOTE: add your name to the end of the email please):


Mr CV Burgess

P O Box 15 Cape Town 8000

12 August 2010

Subject: PROTECTION OF INFORMATION BILL

Dear Mr Burgess,

I am writing to you as a concerned South African; I view the proposed Protection of Information Bill as an assault on our constitution right to freedom of expression. The Bill of Rights, as I’m sure you know, makes the following provisions within article 16:

Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes ­

1. freedom of the press and other media;

2. freedom to receive or impart information or ideas;

3. freedom of artistic creativity; and

4. academic freedom and freedom of scientific research.

Clearly the Protection of Information Bill contravenes my right to the freedom of expression, because it allows the state to censor certain information. This is a direct attack on our rights to receive or impart information or ideas, and it infringes on the rights of journalists to write articles which may threaten state security. I implore of you to support freedom of expression, not only because it is a human right, but also because the struggles of Mandela, Sisulu, Tambo, and Suzman are far too important for us to disregard — they lived in times when the South African government could censor their views, and if this bill passes we will be forced to live under similar oppression.

Yours sincerely,


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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2010, 07:17:46 AM »

I read Saturday in Die Burger that our Safety & Security minister thinks there are lots of foreign spies about who wants to spy on us and stuff.

That was a nice giggle over an early morning coffee. Before we went through to watch some whales in Hermanus, which was even better entertainment than our politicians making fools of themselves. Whales, after all, only visit once a year.
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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2010, 07:41:09 AM »

Some years ago when the whole arms deal started going sour, the Minister of Defence was asked
"Why does SA need 3 submarines?"
the answer?
"We're concerned that SA will be invaded"
"By whom"
"By the USA"
Jisses pleez!
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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2010, 10:35:35 AM »

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Staatsgeheime oor voedselsekuriteit, water en energie is ter sake.

“Voedselsekuriteit mag nie bedreig word nie. Enige land wat hierin misluk, sal deur konflik en oorloë geteister word.”
Food security, water and energy are state secrets?   Is the state going to classify Kook en Geniet and municipal bills?   You know.... those recipes for bobotie and pampoenkoekies.
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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2010, 11:06:38 AM »

You have to marvel at the sheer inventiveness of the contrived BS marshalled in defence of these proposals.  Its stench begins to rival that of religious apologetics, theology and theodicy.

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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2010, 12:08:11 PM »

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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2010, 12:11:45 PM »

With all the spies about, whats a guy gotta do to get a 00 license?
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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2010, 12:22:28 PM »

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He depicted South Africa as a country riddled with spies and information peddlers that sought to destabilise democracy, undermine national food security and steal valuable commercial information...
Baseless rumours of political plots have already done severe damage, the minister said, citing the Browse Mole report as an example.
"Consequently these peddled claims have caused untold disruptions and divisions within the government system, (the) ruling party and its allies and have negatively affected the project of democratisation of the country."
OK, first of all - is SA really important enough in the grander scheme of things for anybody to care enough about our 'national food security' to actually spy on us? I don't hink so - sound a bit Hollywood to me.
And since when is "democratisation" a 'project'? Kinda thought it was a relatively simple system and that we were, in fact, living in a democracy?
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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2010, 12:24:32 PM »

You mean a Licence to Bill? Wink

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« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2010, 12:32:05 PM »

heh heh heh
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« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2010, 12:45:17 PM »

i cannot imagine, what the freck, any spy would want from south africa. 
its not like we are harbouring nuculur weapons,  assasins,  KGB agents, Mafia bosses, ...  wait, akshully, with our lax borders.... never mind.
ok, so their argument, is that it protects the govament against spies.  so what are they hiding?
why are our tax rands being spent on kak that is so covert that nobody can know about it?
are former soviet scientists building atomic bombs in vryheid?
are we planning to send lazer cannons into space?
or are they busy enriching themselves hideously, at the tax payers expense?
why yes!!! that's the one!!
spies my ass.
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« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2010, 12:53:22 PM »

This is why I want a free press. When our politicians say such hilarious things I want to read about it. Grin
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« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2010, 12:54:16 PM »

Well, in SA the essential requirement is simple but strict, as judged by indications from several recent examples:  You need to be a self-important, puffed-up cretin with little regard for well-established and elementary democratic principles.  A robust ego and a selective hearing ability, though not required, significantly enhance one’s chances, and delusions of adequacy virtually guarantee a successful application.

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« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2010, 14:41:45 PM »

of course, should you appear inadequate on your application, and later prove that you are in fact capable of the simplest logical reasoning and fairness, the powers that be reserve the right to get rid of you in a mysterious way of their choice (they have spies too, I presume)
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« Reply #59 on: September 21, 2010, 08:37:30 AM »

And, of course, you must be well versed in the correct protocol for how you, as a dignitary, should be treated by the riffraff. You must also know how to demand "respect" from your inferiors and act like a VIP on every occasion because becoming a politician is, after all, all about You.
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