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« Reply #60 on: September 21, 2010, 10:11:37 AM »

It’s also very helpful to declare that god’s undeniably on your side.  It makes it easy to silence your opponents and critics.  Just accuse them of waging war on god and let fear and stupidity do the rest.

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« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2010, 17:55:20 PM »

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« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2010, 18:19:42 PM »

not that it would make an ounce of difference, but i signed.
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« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2010, 07:24:07 AM »

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« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2010, 07:35:23 AM »

not that it would make an ounce of difference, but i signed.
I signed it too, but I agree with the above on some level, unfortunately - still, can't do any harm I suppose.
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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2010, 15:40:04 PM »

Quote from: SABC News: Media Appeals Tribunal under spotlight in open debate
The proposed Media Appeals Tribunal and the Protection of Information Bill were once again under the spotlight during an open debate at the University of South Africa today. The panel concluded that self regulation is the most effective way to put restrictions on the media.

Head of the school of journalism and media studies at the University of Rhodes in Grahamstown, Professor Guy Berger, says even though it is a bad proposal, civil society can now argue against it and do not have to toyi-toyi or take up arms, like during the previous regime.

“I think it is very unlikely that these two laws, the Protection of Information Bill and then maybe the Media Tribunal law, if they come up with one, I think it is unlikely that these will succeed because the Constitution says freedom of information and it has press freedom and media freedom. So anything that can reduce those that is not in the constitution could be problematic,” says Berger.

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe has since said fears about the Protection of Information Bill are genuine and that the criteria for what information may be classified is too wide and needs to be narrowed to specific types of information, to address the public’s fears.

“The fear is that everything will then be classified, which would then make it more difficult for people to access information. That’s a genuine concern and should be raised as such.”


He said legislators have the right to change the bill if it is not constitutional.

The major complaint against the media’s self regulations is that it is slow in resolving cases, it has no penalties, and it prevents people from going to the courts if they are not happy with the Press Ombudsman’s verdicts.

(Note: When exactly Kgalema Motlanthe said this is unclear because the UNISA debate was not attended by any ANC delegates.)

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(Emphasis added.)

Elsewhere, the DA delivers a petition containing 28,710 signatures protesting against the draft legislation to President Jacob Zuma’s office at Tuynhuys.

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« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2010, 13:56:57 PM »

Now they’re mooting the addition of a Protection from Harassment Bill that will in effect criminalise some of the standard work practices of journalists, and could further inhibit media freedom as a perhaps unintended consequence.  There’s a clear difference between a journalist harassing politicians for answers which the public is entitled to and a stalker who haunts another person because of psychological problems or for personal gain – or, for that matter, the borderline stalking activities of telemarketers and salespeople.

Meanwhile, former Education Minister Prof. Kader Asmal has condemned the proposed media regulations as contrary to everything the 1994 ANC government stood for.  (More here.)

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« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2010, 14:15:18 PM »

the ANC is completely losing the plot.  they are like the seagulls in fiding nemo.  Mine!  Mine! Mine!
the more they can get away with, the more fingers they want in pies.  quite sad actually.
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« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2010, 16:23:33 PM »

the ANC is completely losing the plot.  they are like the seagulls in fiding nemo.  Mine!  Mine! Mine!
the more they can get away with, the more fingers they want in pies.  quite sad actually.
It's a control psychosis...the people (whoever they may be Huh?) must be protected (read 'they can't think for themselves WTF!!). It has been the pattern in virtually every totalitarian state; the press and freedom of association are the first targets. Watch this space!  Angry
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« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2010, 16:30:35 PM »

sounds like my ex.... Undecided
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« Reply #70 on: October 21, 2010, 12:10:28 PM »

The judiciary is already being targeted by government and its representatives in Parliament, and any victory over the media can only lead to increased pressure on the judiciary to become more compliant.



But perhaps the most ironic similarity was the way [former State President PW] Botha handled evidence of government corruption when he called a special session of Parliament to deal with the Info Scandal [of late 1978]. He turned the occasion into a further attack on the media and threatened new laws – not to prevent a recurrence of state corruption, but to prevent future leaks of ‘state secrets’ by the media.
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« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2010, 12:50:49 PM »

that quote is on the money!...there's no such thing as a good government...Buthelezi (yes him) once told me they learned well from the white government... WTF!!
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2011, 11:28:47 AM »

The proposed Media Appeals Tribunal appears to have been shelved for now, probably because of the international outcry it provoked.  However, the Protection of Information Bill and the Secrecy Act are still on the table.
Mondli Makhanya, editor-in-chief of Avusa Media, and Martin Welz, editor of Noseweek, urged the public to stand firm in its support of the media freedom that the country enjoys.



[Welz said:] “My own view is that South African citizens are still apathetic.”

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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2011, 11:57:57 AM »

they will distract us with a Ju-Ju special, and then pass it quietly when we arent looking.
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« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2011, 16:07:00 PM »

So.  Realistically speaking.  How screwed are we?
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