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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2006, 16:39:41 PM »

@meisiekind2 (is there a meisiekind1? Wink )
Thank you for trying to warn us. I'm sure that you have only good intentions. However, I do not see how much good it can do to cry wolf if you don't have any supporting evidence.

I am certain that many of these ideas are real and that there are people planning all sorts of horrible things in secret. But this is nothing new. That is what extremists and terrorists do and fortunately they are usually in the minority. But the majority of the rest of the people have no interest in killing or causing harm to anyone.

We in South Africa have gone through a time of great change in the way we see other people living with us. Some embrace the differences and  incorporate it in their day to day living, others are afraid to do so for very human reasons. But if you make a little effort to understand the differences, you will find that you have more in common with the people around you than the differences between you. That should not be surprising, because in the end we are all humans with the same dreams, fears, and limitations.

You must remember that because there is little censorship on the web, that there are also a lot of views and opinions. But not all ideas have equal value. Therefore everyone has to make it her/his own responsibility to separate the good ideas from the bad. Unfortunately that is a skill that not many possess, but that can be learned. That is why I started this forum - to provide the critical balance to all the faulty ideas that you find on the web. It does not mean I/we are always right, all it means, is that we have a higher standard of what we consider to be true.

Thanks to Anacoluthon64 for the links: a quick scan over your post reveals these fallacies of argumentation.
Appeal to authority
Burden of proof


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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2006, 18:02:18 PM »

Hi meisiekind2

Firstly... your post was not torn to shreds.... you were welcomed by more than one, as well as thanked for your input. Yet I detect a tantrum-like response towards those who dare disagree, or does not wholeheartedly give you the "Freedom of the city".... Regtig meisiekind, jy sal moet leer om meer verdraagsaam te wees.

If that is the trend at http://boerevryheid.co.za/modules.php?name=Jig (Which is where you are to be contacted)then I am really not interested.  BTW. This is my own opinion, and not that of the group. Just for the record.. I am over 40, White and Afrikaans, a Christian AND openminded. I believe in freedom and justice for all, and that right is right and wrong is wrong. Wrong painted in 4 colors is still wrong. I believe that we are all created equal, and then we start stuffing up things!!!  Grin

You can of course also see this as a tantrum, but then again, someone else will jump on my case again....
I think that what I'm actually trying to say as the same thing that bluegray V has just said.
We have the right to our own opinions...
We have the right to respect those who differ...
We do not have the right to judge others...

Lastly... I think if someone asks you a question like "Where do you stand with regards to the so called prophecies of siener van Rensburg? " - it is your right not to answer, but it is polite to answer.

BTW All of this is on recyclable media and can not be burnt....     Grin
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2006, 18:17:24 PM »

We do not have the right to judge others...
...but we can judge their ideas Wink

btw I hope someone notices the little favicon I made. It goes especially well with the one from the page you just linked Grin
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2006, 18:28:50 PM »

We do not have the right to judge others...
...but we can judge their ideas Wink

Could not agree more... actually I could, but that would be pushing it  Cheesy

Think the favicon is tooo cute  - wanted to say devine..... bit then I'm stepping on 64 toes again!!!! Grin
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2006, 08:26:34 AM »

I have a new thoery on this Uhuru bussiness  Wink 

What if...  'they' realised that Uhuru was doomed to failure for much of the reasons posted here (ie. keeping it a secret for so long, and logistical problems etc.)  'They' then 'convinced' some prominent Afrikaans leaders (i use the term very loosely here) to start advocating the volkstaat idea.  I mean if you can't kill'em all, just get them move to some piece of useless dessert on their own accord.

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(should make for a good conspiracy theory...)
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2006, 09:16:10 AM »

Agree..
Another fact to consider is the International investments made and about to be made....

These are BIG corporations with a lot of weight globally.... I don't think they will sideline and watch their billions of dollars worth of investments just go to ruin.... Undecided
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2006, 09:36:01 AM »

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Lastly... I think if someone asks you a question like "Where do you stand with regards to the so called prophecies of siener van Rensburg? " - it is your right not to answer, but it is polite to answer.

It was an honest question, I'm interested to know how this person makes decisions.  If someone tells you something, even something that you really truly want to believe, do you swallow it whole or do you at the very least open up Google and check some basic facts. 

...and you even have to double check wikipedia, in all its infinite wisdom it might actually be WRONG.  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2006, 17:19:16 PM »

*sigh* This was exactly what I hoped wouldnt happen.
Well, this is after all a sceptical forum - as I emphasised in my first message to you in this thread.

You were talking about Uhuru, I gave you another view to look at it.
No.  You were preaching imminent disaster for white South Africans.  There's a difference.

In turn, my post gets torn to shreds because you choose not to believe it.
No.  It was "torn to shreds" because, for reasons shown you, it is entirely unconvincing.  You in turn somehow conceived the rebuttals as personal attacks.  Is your knowledge that insecure?

Really, I dont mind what you believe and dont believe.
If that is indeed so, why then even respond to my and others' criticisms?

Take this information ... <snip>
It is a mark of the conspiracy theorist to respond to reasoned criticism with an emotionally laden alert to the dire danger of not heeding his or her admonitions.

We can, of course, resume a rational discourse of the subject in question.  The ball's in your court.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2006, 21:59:34 PM »

I doubt that we'll here much from her again. I hope I'm wrong though.

She did her duty as she believes she must to inform us. It was never her goal to argue the case. After all - she already accepted it on faith, so any proof is not relevant.
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2007, 23:01:53 PM »

'Luthon, I split your post to a new topic, if you were wondering where it went, it's here Wink
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2007, 07:33:53 AM »

Okey dokey, no worries.  I put it in this thread because one of the bloggers uses the moniker Uhuru Guru and the idea is frequently punted that a, uhm ..., whitewash is coming to SA.  Paranoid content and negativity aside, the writing itself is actually quite good.

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2007, 10:13:35 AM »

At last I got my paws on the notorious uhuru email that has been circling around, and being mentioned on radio stations.

And lookie-lookie at the bottom of the message:

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> Groete uit die platteland
> Tanya (aka Meisiekind2)

She's a busy little lady, but I think she made herself a little too famous this time around.
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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2007, 10:21:27 AM »

Notorious uhuru email? Why didn't I get one? Wink
Can you please post it? But it's probably along the same lines as her first post.
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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2007, 11:07:14 AM »

O, it's too long...

It's in the attachement.
Yes, the gist of it is the same, but this time it is happening, maybe, or not.  And they want all the whities to go to Heilbron.  I've seen Heilbron, I'll take my chances.
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2007, 11:58:15 AM »

From Meisiekind2:
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Daar is baie onsekerheid oor Mandela se toestand. Ons het verneem dat sekere radiostasies meld dat hy reeds dood is, terwyl ander stasies se dat hy in Mozambiek vakansie hou en rus...

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U wonder almal wie ons bronne is, en ek kan dit weens sekuriteitsredes nie aan u bekend maak nie. Ek kan egter se, dat ons finale bevestiging gekom het van 'n dokter wat in die mediese span was wat hom behandel het.

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Kry binne die volgende 5 dae u kos, brandstof en tente gereed. Heilbron sal oop wees vir mense wat uit die stede ontruim, 4 uur nadat dit op die SAUK uitgesaai is. Ek se u vroegtydig, maar vra dat ontruiming na Heilbron eers geskied nadat dit op die nuus bekend gemaak is. Moet ook nie nou panniekerig raak nie. Wees rustig en dink nugter, mens kan dit nie doen as jy in 'n fase van paniek is nie. Daar wprd van jou niks moeilik of onwettig verwag nie. Beperk jou SLEGS tot ontruiming, en oorlewing. Daardeur stel jy nie jouself of enigiemand anders bloot nie.

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Ook sal julle sien dat hierdie storie nou baie vinnig gaan begin uitlek. Daar is te veel mense by die begrafnisreelings en dies meer betrokke en hulle gaan dit nie vir weke en weke kan stilhou nie.
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Dus, indien u bereid is om ons te vertrou, gaan na die Heilbron SPAR nadat sy dood op die SAUK aangekondig is.

Groete uit die platteland
Tanya (aka Meisiekind2)

Heilbron SPAR Huh? Ai tog.
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