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Tweefo (December 10, 2016, 18:50:17 PM):
"Kids must get a pass with only 20% in maths". My wife, an education psychologist, recon that the department is going about it all wrong. By setting the standard too high, kids find it too difficult, they don't try and therefore fail (or know that they got through only because of this 20% rule). So now they think that "maths is not for me" and next time they try even less - a downward spiral. By not setting the standard too high they can get the opposite result. Ok, it will take a year or two longer, but so what? We will end up with a higher standard in the long run. Was maths in the old, pre-1994, days easy? Was the jump from school to university to high for the average student?
brianvds (December 11, 2016, 10:27:46 AM):
"Kids must get a pass with only 20% in maths". My wife, an education psychologist, recon that the department is going about it all wrong. By setting the standard too high, kids find it too difficult, they don't try and therefore fail (or know that they got through only because of this 20% rule). So now they think that "maths is not for me" and next time they try even less - a downward spiral. By not setting the standard too high they can get the opposite result. Ok, it will take a year or two longer, but so what? We will end up with a higher standard in the long run. Was maths in the old, pre-1994, days easy? Was the jump from school to university to high for the average student?

The average student shouldn't go to university in the first place, at least not to go study math-heavy stuff. I suspect we have way too many students at university.

Not too sure what you are saying above. As I understand it, 40% used to be enough for a pass; are you saying that is too high? With math, if you don't get at least 60% or 70% at a given level, you are actually not really ready for the next level.
Tweefo (December 11, 2016, 11:14:51 AM):
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Not too sure what you are saying above.
Maybe Gr10 maths should be what Gr8 is now. Every grade should come down a year or two. The idea is to make it easier in the lower grades, build confidence, pass rate at 50% or higher. Then they know some of the work at least, instead of passing without knowing. Then increase the level towards the end of Gr12 to come up to university standard. Maybe also 3 maths grades to leave school. 1: Math literacy, 2: Math for uni, but at a lower level, 3: Math for your rocket science students.
brianvds (December 11, 2016, 13:16:24 PM):
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Not too sure what you are saying above.
Maybe Gr10 maths should be what Gr8 is now. Every grade should come down a year or two. The idea is to make it easier in the lower grades, build confidence, pass rate at 50% or higher. Then they know some of the work at least, instead of passing without knowing. Then increase the level towards the end of Gr12 to come up to university standard. Maybe also 3 maths grades to leave school. 1: Math literacy, 2: Math for uni, but at a lower level, 3: Math for your rocket science students.

Ah, okay, I see what you mean. They already do it this way in some places. Some years ago, I tutored a grade seven kid who was from Sweden, and his mother told me our grade 7 standard is way higher than it is in Sweden. But apparently they eventually catch up and I would guess their matric standard is likely higher than ours.

I don't really have any particularly passionate opinions on the matter. I have pretty much given up on South Africa's public education. The problem isn't even just a problem with the schools either; it starts at home, and there is preciously little even the best school in the world can do about brain-damaged children with no ambition, personal pride or work ethic.
Brian (December 13, 2016, 12:32:36 PM):
Apparently the old "streaming" approach has been abandoned? Seen as being discriminatory or what?

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