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« on: November 10, 2009, 08:11:08 AM »

To add to the debate at http://www.skeptic.co.za/content/view/220/1/ As you might know I work at schools and took a few pictures. This was at 3 different schools in one week.
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 09:51:52 AM »

"Kennis deur geloof"

Talk about fucked up  Huh? 

This is certainly the bloody antithesis of what we should be teaching our kids!
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 10:45:49 AM »

Quote from: Martin Luther
Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.
That, in a nutshell, is why schools should be teaching the historical, social and cultural significance of various religions and not be promoting them as any kind of truth.  Children get more than enough of that at home and at their places of worship.  It is rather unlikely that churches, mosques, etc. would agree to hosting introductory classes for young ones in principles of secular humanism, cosmogony, epistemology, and so on, so why should schools agree to foist religion on youngsters?  Other parts of the syllabus are not open to the dictates and wishes of parents or school governing bodies so why should religious instruction be allowed a special dispensation?  And how will a school guard against the inevitable marginalising and ostracism of minorities by the majority based purely on respective creeds, an effect that could do much harm?

Schools are supposed to equip youngsters with sufficiently acute critical faculties and for this aim, religious practices, engaged in as truth, are counterproductive.  They have no place in schools.  None whatsoever.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 11:45:16 AM »

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He says that, in reality, schools use teaching time to promote one religion over another by, for example, praying to a particular god during a lesson or sticking only Bible verses on classroom walls.

Some days I wish so I'd wisened up to religion earlier. Oh how I would enjoy sticking some of my own bible verses up on the walls.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 14:12:38 PM »

Religion in Schools – The debate is far from over.

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 13:07:11 PM »

My son's schedule for next year included "Spiritual Development". I threw a vloermoer and he now has extra math instead.  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 14:21:32 PM »

Quote from: Religion in Schools – The debate is far from over
While policies set by School Governing Bodies (SGBs) should not amount to coercion of minority groups, would a blanket banning of all religious activities from a school not amount to coercion of learners belonging a majority religious persuasion at any particular school?

Isn't this a vast over-reaction? I believe the only thing that is being pointed out is that minorities ARE coerced in public schools to observe religious practices. And hence the problem. If such things are voluntary, I don't think there would be an issue. I don't recall prof. Claassen saying he wanted to "blanket ban" anything.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 13:31:40 PM »

My son's schedule for next year included "Spiritual Development". I threw a vloermoer and he now has extra math instead.  Grin

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 05:57:41 AM »

Isn't this a vast over-reaction?
Of course it is, but religionists are not known for their cool, rational, consequent reasoning abilities.  They want to have their manna and eat it, too.  The cheeky presumption is that it’s okay to have religious indoctri…, I mean instruction at school (it makes young people better persons, you see) but not the flipside thereof, for example evolution classes in church.  Moreover, they conveniently choose to overlook the fact that one or other religion is already pumped at church and in most homes for years before children even see the inside of a school.

The only acceptable modus is to offer comparative religious studies – i.e. religions as cultural, social and historical phenomena rather than as The Real Truth©.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 11:47:41 AM »

I do agree that religion is an additional subject in school..
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 12:44:27 PM »

...vloermoer...

Ground womb?
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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 12:58:00 PM »

could be  Wink but really "tantrum"

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2010, 14:55:32 PM »

It is important that we distinguish clearly between religious studies, as in a subject, and religious observance, where a deity is being revered and prayed to.

If religious studies is to be taught as a subject, then the subject matter should be compiled by the Department of Education, and should fairly cover the significant religions, what their history and tenets are, etc.    It is not the task of school governing bodies to formulate curriculum.

Ideally, religious observance should not occur at government schools whatsoever.   As a compromise one might consider allowing religious observance at the school, but not during school hours.   The pupils who wish to partake, can then come to school a bit earlier or stay a bit later.   That should quickly establish how serious they are about it.
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2010, 15:17:39 PM »

The reality is the majority of parents don't want religious observance to be "optional" in the school. For most afrikaans schools I've seen around, including the one I attended, "Christian education" is a very important selling point, and one that most parents would ask about. In fact, I think any afrikaans school not selling their "Christian" merit would soon run dry.

"PU vir CHO": Potchefstroom Universiteit vir Christelike Hoër Onderwys.

I think that makes the point quite clearly.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 02:05:13 AM »

Such attitudes once prevailed in many countries where religious observance has since been abolished in public schools.

The mere fact that the debate is taking place is already a step forward.
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