Taking God out of school - first episode....

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BoogieMonster (September 16, 2014, 14:26:09 PM):
IMHO we need to cultivate critical thinking in schools.

I think this is where we come full circle. Critical thinking was taught to me in school: During science class, maybe more indirectly during maths, and I'll even credit our history classes for discussing the Renaissance. I remember reading up on the principles of it and being impressed by the throwing off of shackles to critical thinking and suppression of contrary ideas. And the broad improvement in the world that came as a result. Remember, I was still religious at this point. But already could see how a secular society could be a great improvement.

Come to think of it, each in it's own small way, it may have changed the way I think forever and at an early age.

The problem we face is that the religious want to invade science class, politicos have an agenda in the history class, etc. Perhaps exactly because as you point out: They see truth and reason as a threat. And let's be honest: It is, to their outmoded ways of thinking.

If you ask me (and you didn't, but if you did...) this is where the fight starts, and should start. Yes I had compulsory religious instruction, compulsory sermons every monday morning (even as a christian it got over the top for me sometimes), compulsory praying and religiously zealous teachers. But I credit those few teachers who encouraged me to think outside the box... at least some of the time. They lead me on a path that eventually led to the abandonment of all that stuff.

Besides, I don't mind a christian who can also see the value of a secular state, who can accommodate opposing ideas, etc. It's the fundies I have beef with.

Guess at this point I'm agreeing a bit too vociferously.
The Vulcan (September 16, 2014, 14:41:23 PM):
Besides, I don't mind a christian who can also see the value of a secular state, who can accommodate opposing ideas, etc. It's the fundies I have beef with.

Guess at this point I'm agreeing a bit too vociferously.


I agree, I have the same feeling about doing something in a positive manner, I don't think a O'Hair-type argument/person will easily succeed in our country and besides you don't want to be labeled an evil atheist or satanist, there's enough of that going around already, can you imagine how much worse things like that would get if do succeed in "taking god out of schools" completely, Madilyn O'Hair style?

In my experience, the Jews, Hindus and Muslims I've met are for more open to discuss things, is far more secularized and tolerant of others than the best christian fundamentalist I can think of, but this also just proves the kind of special treatment CHRISTIANITY gets and the arrogance of the "Xtian right" (christen reg) - the privelage they enjoy to openly proselytize and force their beliefs down everyone's throats, and the stake they claim for not allowing any criticism, and still they make themselves out to be the persecuted.

Case in point: Just yesterday I watched the news and saw how the muslim community along with human rights groups came together to openly distance themselves from extremism, on the interview on tv, the muslim spokeswoman also made a reference for among other, atheists to come and stand in solidarity with them, closest I can come is: eNCA Also, interestingly, Cape Town is to open the first interfaith mosque - Cape Times Still, just talking to people of other faiths have proven again and again how much more tolerant they are, suppose because we're not living in a muslim-state, a jewish-state, buddhist-state or jedi-state, but a christian-state [secular state.
Tweefo (September 16, 2014, 15:15:48 PM):
if you offer to augment a school’s curriculum without the correct qualifications and paperwork in hand, you’ll run squarely into a stone wall, regardless how noble, well-intentioned or generous your offer may be.
I am doing this as a job and it's not too difficult to get in, but with most schools it's only the kids that pay that attend my shows, or when the school pay, everyone of course get included. The school will not pay for a selected few (especially if they go against the school's "one size fits all" thinking) and some of those atheist kids will not pay, so now you have three groups to look after.
Jacques (September 16, 2014, 23:12:38 PM):
For those of you in Cape Town, UCT's Philosophy Department has been running a critical thinking thing in schools for years now. It's been a while since I actively engaged with it, but Greg Fried is the person to ask about what they are doing, and whether they need help.
Mefiante (September 17, 2014, 08:40:48 AM):
Tweefo, correct me if I’m mistaken but you’re not an official part of any school’s curriculum. You’re more like a visit to the museum — except that you’re the museum visiting the kids.



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