Atheist Kids (split)

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Gogtjop (March 11, 2010, 14:07:59 PM):
Dude, do you even know what dualism is? You must either be incredibly dense, or deliberatly dishonest, to claim that determinism doesn't pertain to dualism.

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Even if that is true, so what? That still does not make philosophical materialism and naturalism any less incoherent.

Some arguing by assertion. I'm impressed!

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Oh ok smarty pants.

Nope, you're projecting. I simply don't need to quote Wikipedia topic lists in order to make a point ::)
Mefiante (March 11, 2010, 14:13:37 PM):
5) That must be some kind of record for seeing through Teleological’s agenda-suffused codswallop.

Really? Where is Mefi…
I’m right here, dearie, agog at your posturings. Quantum indeterminism isn’t like most other physical laws in that it assigns probabilities to outcomes, rather than enumerating precisely quantifiable/determinable causal relations. Indeterminacy seems to be a fundamental property of nature. I thought that was clear enough.

ETA: You write “What about the indeterministic nature of physics that drives chemistry?” At the level of chemical interactions, the participating agglomerates of matter (atoms and molecules) behave largely deterministically as far as physics is concerned.

'Luthon64
Gogtjop (March 11, 2010, 14:23:26 PM):
The problem with QI is that its apparent inherent randomness may or may not be true. This in turn leads to it being a very convenient piece of ammo for god-o'-the-gaps type arguments, like the existence of free will.
Mefiante (March 11, 2010, 14:44:32 PM):
That on its own would be bad enough, but in reality it’s actually much worse. Bits of QM are regularly abducted by poseurs of various stripes and subverted to “explain” and “prove” all sorts of twaddle and charlatanry, not just spun into quasi-religious claptrap. QM appeals to our sense of the mysterious because it seems completely weird in terms of our usual experience of the world, its language is arcane mathematics and its role in explaining the universe is both central and fundamental. It’s no wonder that it has become a target of just about every woo-woo merchant who aims to thrill an ignorant audience.

'Luthon64
Teleological (March 11, 2010, 14:47:10 PM):
Dude, do you even know what dualism is? You must either be incredibly dense, or deliberatly dishonest, to claim that determinism doesn't pertain to dualism.
Humour me.

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Even if that is true, so what? That still does not make philosophical materialism and naturalism any less incoherent.

Some arguing by assertion. I'm impressed!
Sell philosophical materialism and naturalism. Let's see if you know what it is and entails.

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