Didn't Darwin make Teleological obsolete?

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Julian (September 24, 2010, 18:49:22 PM):
That's a lie.

You're being a bit cavalier with the word lie here. I may be mistaken, and will happily admit to it if you can point me in the direction of a creationist/IDer who espouses the "ET life as designers" view. Dawkins maybe? :)
Mefiante (September 24, 2010, 21:04:05 PM):
Dawkins maybe? :)
ID is a far cry from panspermia, which is what I think you might be referring to.

Challenge to IDers

Rigil Kent (September 24, 2010, 21:38:05 PM):
Re video above. ID does not deny evolution, so I don't get how finding a unique, unrelated gene should be all that high on the ID agenda. Nor how the lack of such a gene should discredit their hypothesis much. The ID angle is to marry evolution with the idea of an guiding, directed overseeing force, instead of "mere" natural selection, not so?

Julian (September 24, 2010, 22:11:24 PM):
ID is a far cry from panspermia, which is what I think you might be referring to.

Yes I wasn't seriously referring to Dawkins as an IDer.

I was referring to this - Dawkins talking about his interview with Ben Stein for the movie expelled:
"I patiently explained to him that life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence from another planet (Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel suggested something similar -- semi tongue-in-cheek). The conclusion I was heading towards was that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such 'Directed Panspermia' was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would THEMSELVES have to have evolved..."


I've never come across an IDer that espouses this theory, but then I do try to avoid them, so I guess I could be wrong. Telly?
Julian (September 24, 2010, 23:09:29 PM):
Creationists and IDers all believe that it were God what did it.

That's a lie.

The Discovery Institute at least seems to believe that the designer was God. From their "Wedge Document":
"Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."



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