Dude/Suidlander/KVZ split from Uhuru

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Centre (April 15, 2008, 18:19:53 PM):
'Luthon64 since you are such a expert of current events please tell me what the future holds for South Africa over the next 7 years?. Please tell my why SA differs from Zimbabwe and the rest of Africa. The crime situation. Illegal immigrants. Infrastructure. Skill development. Corrupt politicions.Land reform. Education. Public transport etc. I would like to see your predictions, because up until now you have only criticised my predictions. Please read my previous replies as well.

Regards
Centre (of attention)
Mefiante (April 15, 2008, 20:00:32 PM):
'Luthon64 since you are such a expert of current events…
Please point out where I have made such a claim.



… please tell me what the future holds for South Africa over the next 7 years?
Sorry, I’m not a soothsayer, astrologer or any kind of diviner. But you appear to be one because you seem certain, almost too avidly so, that this “Uhuru” thing is going to happen, and soon, even if it’s not “a planned action nor a slaughter.” So what is it then?



Please tell my why SA differs from Zimbabwe and the rest of Africa.
I can’t tell you why, but here’s how: It’s a question of many things, among them geography, culture, size, population, history, economy, and so on. I’m sure you can come up with a lot of other differences between the two countries all on your own with a little thought. But what’s your point? Was there an Uhuru thing in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe whose occurrence is lost to the annals of African history?



I would like to see your predictions, because up until now you have only criticised my predictions.
But I never claimed to make any predictions. Moreover, even if I did make any, on what possible basis will we decide who’s (more) accurate? Other, that is, than waiting for the predictions to eventuate, and who knows how long that’ll be, given the usual vagueness of such. Which reminds me: When, exactly, is this Uhuru thing supposed to happen? An error of plus or minus six months should be achievable and is, in my view, quite a lenient expectation. Furthermore, what has been criticised is the habit of taking vaguely related material and with considerable artistic licence weaving it into a narrative of certain doom, written no doubt in big letters on a wall somewhere, or so it is thought. Coincidences and a vivid imagination are no substitutes for verifiable evidence, a point many contributors to this thread simply skip over. Instead, they berate, “Look at all the rot and corruption and incompetence and nepotism and crime and violence and on and on and on,” as if that proves anything besides that there’s rot and corruption and incompetence and nepotism and crime and violence and on and on and on.



Please read my previous replies as well.
“Replies?” There’s only one other one of yours in this thread that I can find. I have read it. It’s a litany of the woes besetting this country. Nobody disputes them. What is being questioned is whether, and if so, how, they warrant the belief that our lives are in danger.

'Luthon64
The Dude (April 16, 2008, 07:28:31 AM):
Good morning all :P

Luthon, I kind of agree with Centre... My opinion, you are just like our president, you don't have a spine it seems, you don't have much of a view either it's like you just sit there and criticize with out making any valid and realistic statements...

If you can't see what is in front of you,,, you know ignorance is bliss... you can wait until the sh!t hits the fan and try to get out of it and hopefully you do, but am sure you'll feel like a dick. If nothing happens I might feel like one too but at least me and my family will be OK.

I might have offended you, but I'd rather say it they way i see it then beat around the bush....
At least we know where we stand, you have time to have your say and then would prefer not waste my breath further, if that's OK with you.... You live in your Little world and I'll live in my'n.

Anyway...

The meeting, all went we'll last night, haven't told me anything I did not know already except that I know am taken care of and that is all that matters in the end? Like I said I'm not going to try and convince any one that doesn't want toe be and you have heard it a lot from other people as well, but if people wants help I would gladly assist. I can only be responsible for my self and my family and it's up to you to take care of yours.

I would like to share a very graphic site that I discover 3 weeks ago, don't ask me how (in my defence try www.poes.com I think it means search in Amsterdam) and don't take this as we need to start a rebelion or civil war, see the vid on 15th March... http://www.poes.co.za/news.php

There is also a nice article about Thabo for Lex Luthon (what kind of name is that anyway) hehehe...


PS. Oh and about "Suidlander" he is most likely bored with you any way and probably sees no point talking to some one that talks a lot but doesn't really say anything?

Chat soon..

The Dude
mdg (April 16, 2008, 09:35:25 AM):
Luthon, I kind of agree with Centre... My opinion, you are just like our president, you don't have a spine it seems, you don't have much of a view either it's like you just sit there and criticize with out making any valid and realistic statements...

The Dude, I’m not sure we’ve been reading the same thread, all ‘Luthon64 is asking you, and others, to do is to present verifiable evidence of your claims. I agree 100% with ‘Luthon64 and have found the comments made to be informed and realistic – if you read any of ‘Luthon64’s comments (not just on this thread) I’m sure you’ll agree with me that ‘Luthon64 is a well read, well informed and a highly educated person. I’m not defending ‘Luthon64, I’m sure you’ll be getting a suitably erudite response from ‘Luthon64 shortly.

Now, to add my 5 cents worth to this nonsense. Since you don’t like beating about the bush, I will be frank. From my experience with people who believe in this nonsense I’ve come to the conclusion that they are racists who are not happy with being governed by black people. They also hope that whites will once again be in power and that things will go back to the way it was during apartheid. Well until you accept that things have changed and that we will never go back to that evil period in our history, then I’m afraid that people like you will continue to fall victim to idiots like Gustav Muller and the suidlanders.
The warnings about the “imminent” slaughter of whites has been doing the rounds for years now, just exactly when will uhuru happen?
I was told by someone (who believes in this rubbish) that the suidlanders are going to move to the Karoo – after you’ve all met at the Spar – where they will settle and form a sort of “homeland” of their own. Well I see a few flaws in this plan, the Karoo is a very dry place – where will you get water from, how will you grow crops, where will you get fuel from when your stores run out, are you going to live in tents until houses are built, where will you get the building supplies from, why settle in an area that is landlocked and vulnerable to attack???? Did the suidlanders actually sit down and think this through?
If you all put half of the effort that you put into preparing for this nonsense into fighting the crime and corruption in this country, it would be a better place for all of us. All you’re doing is running scared instead of taking the time to sit and actually think rationally about it.
The problems you site about the current government applies just as much to the previous one where there was just as much corruption, nepotism, etc, etc. Instead of whining about the problems, get off your backside and try and make a difference. Do you belong to a community policing forum? Do you try and help people who are unemployed or worse off than you? Or are you one of those people who think that buying pirate cds and dvds is ok, that buying things that have “fallen off the back of a truck” is fine because you’re getting it at a good price. Unless we all make an effort to contribute to this country in some way, this stupid idea of uhuru will continue to be perpetuated.

Mefiante (April 16, 2008, 10:10:02 AM):
It is fairly typical of those who have no cogent argument to attempt substituting such with disputatious ad feminem contumely. Notwithstanding the oxymoronic nature of several of the traits you charge me with when these are taken in combination, does your view of me – i.e. as being like Thabo Mbeki, spineless, wishy-washy, critical, unconvincing, unrealistic, myopic, ignorant, a waste of your time, deluded, parochial, unconcerned, idiomatically void, and tedious – does this view of yours in any way invalidate my scepticism? More importantly, how exactly does it lend support to your position?

Because so far all I’ve read is hot air and emotive rhetoric about how perilous life in SA is and how the black masses will rise up and decimate the white minority. Has it occurred to you that with attitudes such as yours abounding and the conduct it foments, that it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy? What evidence would convince you that this Uhuru thing will not, in fact, happen?

Thanks for the vote of confidence, mdg – they’re always appreciated, as well as your reasoned response. I harbour a more-than-fleeting suspicion that at heart, the basic difficulty we are facing here is a disagreement over what the word “evidence” actually means.

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