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« on: September 10, 2010, 14:40:27 PM »

The sciencechatforum.com has a useful summary on suggested forum etiquette:
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Forum Etiquette

We expect all members to conduct themselves in a manner which encourages growth in our community, and fosters an atmosphere of learning.

I - Abusive behavior is strictly prohibited. Obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any communication through our forums which threatens, belittles or otherwise demeans our members will not be tolerated.

II - Personal attacks are strictly prohibited. While it's normal for debates to sometimes grow heated, all comments should remain focused on the actual theories being presented, and/or the responses to challenges from fellow posters. We do not tolerate posts which demean another user on a personal level.

III - Offensive comments referring to a person's gender race or religion made with the intent to offend are strictly prohibited. Using offensive language may result in the termination of your account.

IV - General disruptive behavior will not be tolerated. Disruptive behaviors include the following

a) Posts deemed by the moderators to be devoid of any intelligent content.

b) Repeated refusal to cite sources or other evidence to support your claims.

c) Repeated refusal to respond to a moderators request.

d) We do not provide a medium for circular debates which have no end. If a debate has gone on a significant length of time, and the moderators feel that it's going nowhere, they are charged with refocusing the debate, or when that fails, to end it. If a thread is locked, do not start a new thread resurrecting old issues.


I like it.

Is there ANY chance that any of the regulars here even remotely like and agree with all of the above (except for the flaming section of course, this would be daft there Tongue)?
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 14:58:38 PM »

Jesus Christ, phrony, IV a) will leave you with no posts here!
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 15:17:56 PM »

Jesus Christ, phrony, IV a) will leave you with no posts here!
Wow, with that post your account would pretty much have been terminated, so I guess you don't like it?
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 18:14:16 PM »

humor is verboten in phronyland? gottit. Won't join your forum, never fear. I like the rules currently in place here just fine. I wouldn't be here otherwise which is a point to ponder.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 18:16:12 PM »

I like the rules currently in place here just fine. I wouldn't be here otherwise which is a point to ponder.
Indeed.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 18:22:02 PM »

So you missed it eh? *sigh*
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 18:49:54 PM »

I'm all for I and IV. I'm for II liberally interpreted (repeatedly gratuitous insults no, occasional snark yes). III on race and gender is appropriate - but it shouldn't be used to stifle any reasoned debate on racial / gender issues. III on religion seems silly for a skeptical forum.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 20:10:36 PM »

What?   Turn our forum into a Sunday school picnic?   Absolutely not!
Where several off-topic insults have been traded, I favour it being relegated to the flame-war section.
I'm sick of respect.   Let the sparks and the feathers fly!
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2010, 21:17:00 PM »

… (repeatedly gratuitous insults no, occasional snark yes)…
I would add the rider, “… when directed at unrepentant disruptors and pathological violators of these rules.”  There comes a point where neither redemption nor intelligent debate seems possible any longer, and only ridicule and mockery are justified in response.  Or silence, but who among us is genuinely Zen enough to resist poking fun at a provocative poseur?

Respect is earned, not enforced.  Most people in any case start from a position of respect, assuming that those with whom they differ know what they are on about.  It is when it becomes clear that this assumption is completely flawed that respect begins rapidly to wane – on both sides of the line.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2010, 05:20:43 AM »

The sciencechatforum.com has a useful summary on suggested forum etiquette:

Heh heh - feeling the heat hey Phroners?
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2010, 07:17:26 AM »

A bit puzzled as to why this is even a discussion on this forum? Think its relatively well mannered and if you want to dish out disrespect you must be able to manage it if it comes back your way.

We're thankfully dont have many whiners here (actually I have'nt identified any, but I'm not a mod, so could be wrong), and 'ol Telly is like the bumbling cop added for humorous content in the old skop, skiet en donner movies, so I've got a soft spot even for him.
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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2010, 08:03:46 AM »

The sciencechatforum.com has a useful summary on suggested forum etiquette:

Heh heh - feeling the heat hey Phroners?
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More like "feeling the boredom". Kind of boring to see how someone tries over and over to demean others. I think there can be more constructive and positive threads here. Trolling is a bit boring honestly.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2010, 08:22:00 AM »

Quote from:  Teleological
Trolling is a bit boring honestly.

Concern troll is concerned.

Honestly, if anyone is guilty of trolling it's you, Telly, old bean.

I'm quite happy with the forum rules as they are, thank you.

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Respect is earned, not enforced.  Most people in any case start from a position of respect, assuming that those with whom they differ know what they are on about.  It is when it becomes clear that this assumption is completely flawed that respect begins rapidly to wane – on both sides of the line.

What Mefi said.....

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A bit puzzled as to why this is even a discussion on this forum? Think its relatively well mannered and if you want to dish out disrespect you must be able to manage it if it comes back your way.

Exactly!

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2010, 08:30:12 AM »

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Trolling is a bit boring honestly.

Concern troll is concerned.

Honestly, if anyone is guilty of trolling it's you, Telly, old bean.
Ah, even when muffles admits to trolling my posts, you still think I am the one trolling.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2010, 09:01:47 AM »

Where dear muffles "admits" to trolling needs to be revisted... by you.

Before you do, you need to read up on the finer points of sarcasm and irony. I'll explain a little, simply because it is Monday and I have a ton of work and I am putting that off a bit. (okay, for as long as I possibly can)

Your position is a priori that mefiante trolls your posts. And she is using that to needle you. Which you completely miss every time. Like when you started discourse with her you called her posts uncivil when it was clear it wasn't (at the time only myself and rwenzori were uncivil to you from our prior understanding of what you are.) You took her disagreement with you badly and lashed out. Repeatedly. She now *has* turned uncivil but what she is doing is ignoring you for the most part and not responding to you directly. A great loss in my opinion, but completely understandable. She still has no problem with  enlightening others as to what you are.

Stop seeing any disagreement with you as "trolling" and try to understand why people disagree. Address that. You are quite happy to make things personal and sling the ad hom or two and then cry foul when it is returned. You, for instance, think it is okay to tell someone to "sod off" but cringes at "freck off". I find that amusing.

This whole thread is a testament to that - please re-look at why I said "Fuck you" in that thread. I won't do that if you don't deserve it  Cheesy Change your own behavior and see if that helps? Be the xtain you are supposed to be  Smiley

/disclaimer - this was not a waste of my time. It was written in the interest of putting work aside for a while longer.
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2010, 09:15:02 AM »

We clearly have a different view of the situation.

Muffles troll, she admits it.
I don't see disagreements as trolling, that is a misrepresentation/lie from your side. A troll is someone who does not contribute to a discussion in any positive or constructive manner and is purely there to disrupt it. To this, muffles admits.
I wouldn't be surprised if your "prior understanding of what I am" is also a misunderstanding.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2010, 10:02:33 AM »

More like "feeling the boredom".
You’re bored here?  Interesting.  So the fact that you keep coming back can be taken to mean that your life outside this forum is even more boring then, yes?



Muffles troll, she admits it.
… A troll is someone who does not contribute to a discussion in any positive or constructive manner and is purely there to disrupt it. To this, muffles admits.
I do?  Where?  Or is this yet another instance where you seriously overreach the available evidence?

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2010, 10:24:06 AM »

More like "feeling the boredom".
You’re bored here?  Interesting.  So the fact that you keep coming back can be taken to mean that your life outside this forum is even more boring then, yes?
Not bored of the forum, bored by some elements who desperately want to get a rise out of others by trolling.


Muffles troll, she admits it.
… A troll is someone who does not contribute to a discussion in any positive or constructive manner and is purely there to disrupt it. To this, muffles admits.
I do?  Where?  Or is this yet another instance where you seriously overreach the available evidence?

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You admit to trolling. You did not delete the post did you?
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2010, 10:32:19 AM »

Here's one definition of a Telly,... er, I mean a troll....

From the Urban Dictionary.
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One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.


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You’re bored here?  Interesting.  So the fact that you keep coming back can be taken to mean that your life outside this forum is even more boring then, yes?

...and then proceeds to bore everyone else on the forum...

There's  a couple of questions I'd like to ask you Telly; (I'm just being curious.)

Do you converse the way you write your posts? The reason I ask is because you never seem to contribute to any casual conversations or just chat informally with anyone here.Do you feel that it's "below" you to interact casually with others here?
Do you have any friends? I ask this because judging by the way you do interact with us (like a pompous know it all - this is just my view), it seems that you might not have any, and you try to compensate by trying to impress others with what you think are highly intelligent posts.

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2010, 10:47:35 AM »

… bored by some elements who desperately want to get a rise out of others by trolling.
Looked in a mirror lately?



You admit to trolling. You did not delete the post did you?
Once again:  Where?  What part of that one-word question is giving you trouble?  And by what contorted logic is my “not delet[ing] the post” (which one?) an admission of anything?

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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2010, 10:56:24 AM »

Muffels to Tele:
"But where on earth did you dredge up the strange notion that I’m "[trying] to engage in a conversation" with you?"

What..., not even trying to have a conversation with me? From there on I accepted that all you are doing when replying to me is troll until you are willing to have a conversation... or at least try.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2010, 10:59:35 AM »

We clearly have a different view of the situation.
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Muffles troll, she admits it.
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I don't see disagreements as trolling, that is a misrepresentation/lie from your side.
It is born up by experience. I haven't seen mefiante troll at all.
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A troll is someone who does not contribute to a discussion in any positive or constructive manner and is purely there to disrupt it. To this, muffles admits.
Bullshit.
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I wouldn't be surprised if your "prior understanding of what I am" is also a misunderstanding.
I'd be very surprised.
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2010, 14:05:52 PM »

Muffels to Tele:
"But where on earth did you dredge up the strange notion that I’m "[trying] to engage in a conversation" with you?"
Hmm, it certainly lo-o-o-o-ks like you’ve got me there.  Could there be another possibility besides trolling, ya think?

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2010, 15:15:50 PM »

Wait... is this you trying to have a conversation with m.... Ah dang, you got me again. Tell me when you are willing to have a conversation (not just trolling) with me then some of your questions should get attention Wink.
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2010, 15:42:24 PM »

problem is, and this is from many months of observation, is that, tele, you never really answer the questions put to you.
i dont engage with you, because i see the folly that others battle against.
you answer questions with questions.
there is never a concrete, this is it, final, decisive answer.
it's a pain in the ass.
you refer a person from one site to the next.  quoting randomly.  but no answer is reached.
no answer that you can say, 'i have experienced this for sure'.

there is an afrikaans saying 'soos 'n passer om sy eie gat.'
i actually dont generally bother to read your posts, because i know that i wont glean anything from it, there are no rock solid facts, just floaty theorems.  and untill it reaches flame wars, there is nothing in there.
you insist on using this high-flying acedemic language, for what puspose i have no idea.  while there is no word that google cant find, you are simply postioning yourelf as a superior intellect.
use plain english.  it works.  really.
while you might be so involved with your intellect, i live on mother earth, and would appreceate you not talking down to me.
i dont have the time to sit and decifer what you are actually saying.  i dont have the leisure of having spent years in study to sound smarter than joe soap.  if you want honest, interactive feedback from the people on the forum, then make it accessable to jodels like, who dont spend their time in books. 
and write your own experience, with things that are concrete.  that we can at least relate to.
its all good and well to speculate the bizarro and out there, but that is all you do?
i still dont know if you are for real, or just having a grand time taking the piss.
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2010, 15:45:08 PM »

Now you see GCG why you're a hero (certainly one of mine)!
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2010, 15:52:15 PM »

Tell me when you are willing to have a conversation (not just trolling) with me then some of your questions should get attention Wink.
Ditto, but we tried that so many times in the past, remember?  Never once did it work, remember?  Go on, I dare you to surprise everyone and show us just how wrong inductive reasoning can be.

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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2010, 15:56:29 PM »

problem is, and this is from many months of observation, is that, tele, you never really answer the questions put to you.

That's a lie.
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2010, 15:59:27 PM »

Tell me when you are willing to have a conversation (not just trolling) with me then some of your questions should get attention Wink.
Ditto, but we tried that so many times in the past, remember?  Never once did it work, remember?  Go on, I dare you to surprise everyone and show us just how wrong inductive reasoning can be.

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Be honest, have you ever tried to have a decent conversation with me, devoid of any veiled ad hominems? Perhaps we can pick it up from there...?
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« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2010, 16:02:26 PM »

problem is, and this is from many months of observation, is that, tele, you never really answer the questions put to you.
i dont engage with you, because i see the folly that others battle against.
you answer questions with questions.
there is never a concrete, this is it, final, decisive answer.
it's a pain in the ass.
you refer a person from one site to the next.  quoting randomly.  but no answer is reached.
no answer that you can say, 'i have experienced this for sure'.

there is an afrikaans saying 'soos 'n passer om sy eie gat.'
i actually dont generally bother to read your posts, because i know that i wont glean anything from it, there are no rock solid facts, just floaty theorems.  and untill it reaches flame wars, there is nothing in there.
you insist on using this high-flying acedemic language, for what puspose i have no idea.  while there is no word that google cant find, you are simply postioning yourelf as a superior intellect.
use plain english.  it works.  really.
while you might be so involved with your intellect, i live on mother earth, and would appreceate you not talking down to me.
i dont have the time to sit and decifer what you are actually saying.  i dont have the leisure of having spent years in study to sound smarter than joe soap.  if you want honest, interactive feedback from the people on the forum, then make it accessable to jodels like, who dont spend their time in books. 
and write your own experience, with things that are concrete.  that we can at least relate to.
its all good and well to speculate the bizarro and out there, but that is all you do?
i still dont know if you are for real, or just having a grand time taking the piss.

You're the bees knees, and the cat's collar, and I think you're great. You are also one of my heros!!
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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2010, 16:20:25 PM »

Be honest, have you ever tried to have a decent conversation with me, devoid of any veiled ad hominems? Perhaps we can pick it up from there...?


Now you are talking serious shit - you are incapable of having any "decent conversation" on any forum. In fact, apart from what you plagiarise and quote from others, you seem mostly incapable of posting any original thought.
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2010, 16:20:52 PM »

problem is, and this is from many months of observation, is that, tele, you never really answer the questions put to you.

That's a lie.

then why are people on this forum constantly complaining that they cant get a straight answer out of you?!
cyghost has tried for ages, and ends up popping a vein trying to coax you into an answer that satisfies the criteria for common logic.
this forum is full of people ready and rearing to argue and debate, and yet, one meets a brick wall of illogical arguments and theories with you.    we are here, after all, to be skeptic.  to argue away the veil that people pull over your eyes.  so the idea is, have evidence.  concrete evidence.  not links to websites claiming more rubbish.  
you seem to be the champion for the etherial.  but obviously the skeptics here arent really to be found for it.
i cant speak for anybody else here, but i loathe reading posts from you, because it seems to follow the same trend of pie in the sky. and after delving though pages of gibberish, and trying to extract what your point it, one is exasperated to find, you still dont offer answers that dont reside in the ether and the theory.
while its fun as all hell to debate the existance of Narnia, we still know the cupboard leads nowhere.
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2010, 17:04:00 PM »

I knew it wouldn't take long for this thread to be moved here - I must be psychic  Evil

It's funny how we're all saying the same thing and Teleological ignores what's being said and starts behaving like he's the victim. If you go through any of the threads in the Flame section you'll read all these same arguments over and over again.

Like GCG, I gave up reading anything Telly said ages ago. I don't have the time and patience to read through reams of crap only to learn from others here that it is CRAP. It's annoying.

The continuous linking to even more crap is even more annoying.

This is why I haven't been on the forum for so long. I'd rather watch paint dry or gaze at my own navel than read through the stuff Telly posts.

Some of the people here have been here longer than Telly and have a reputation for being someone to go to for solid and sound knowledge, Mefi being one of them. Telly, however, has a reputation for talking nonsense, being unable or unwilling to consider what people far more knowledgable than him have to say. Which means that when I see something posted by Telly, I no longer bother reading it and which means I miss out on a chance of actually learning something.

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2010, 17:21:28 PM »

Ah, it's been moved... Seems to have gone downwards since the first reply anyway. Have fun chaps.

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