Haiti Earthquake

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Mefiante (February 01, 2010, 11:53:57 AM):
[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you.
I am assuming that you hold with the above citation and that it is meant as some kind of defence or divine justification for the tragic events in Haiti. If that is so, I find myself wondering exactly what sorts of things those very many little Haitian children and babies did to bring such wrath down upon themselves – children and babies who were injured, maimed or killed, and/or robbed of their parents or siblings.

I’d appreciate it if you would clear this up for me.

ETA: Please note that in an endeavour not to overcomplicate matters, I am ignoring for now the profound ontological difficulty inherent in saying, on the one hand, that your god made everything, presumably including me, and on the other that if bad things happen to me, your god had nothing to do with those occurrences. This logical misconnect, while glaring, should not discourage the requested clarification.

'Luthon64
Wandapec (February 01, 2010, 12:22:41 PM):
Following on from what BoogieMonster said...
Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you.
It would seem that you have a point. It was a pact that the Haitian's made with the devil that resulted in the Haitian earthquake! (We won't discuss plate tectonics or poor building standards in one of the poorest countries in the Americas - that would be silly!)
"They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'Ok it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got something themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another," Robertson said.
Pat Robertson - a firm believer in the god of the Bible, not the god of the Koran - seemed to think that the Haitian's all sat under a tree and an planned a takeover with the devil that resulted in the earthquake. His god apparently also dishes out the good stuff. Not sure what kind of arrangement they have and who gets credit for what? They have some stiff competition though....
[4:78] Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles.
Shew, now that insight for you.... ;)
what sorts of things those very many little Haitian children and babies did to bring such wrath down upon themselves – children and babies who were injured, maimed or killed, and/or robbed of their parents or siblings.
Touché..
nazzeem (February 01, 2010, 15:11:17 PM):
The first thing I thought when hearing this news about Haiti was…

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’un (Surely we belong to Allah (God) and to Him (God) shall we return).

The second thing was…

Sura – 4 Women (Al-Nesaa’)

[4:78] Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles. When something good happens to them, they say, “This is from GOD,” and when something bad afflicts them, they blame you. Say, “Everything comes from GOD.” Why do these people misunderstand almost everything?

[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people, and GOD suffices as witness.


I should have added...

Man does not know what the future holds, but the opposite is true for the past. As most of what happened are recorded in history. Depending on where you get the information from, most of it is true.

I think one should understand the story of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) to get a better picture of what I was thinking. If I'm not mistaken, the whole town including his wife were destroyed.

As for the devil... The story goes;
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

Does God exist;
Surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the marvels contained in them, and in the alternation of night and day, coming and going, increasing and diminishing, there are signs, indications of God’s power, for people of pith, for people possessing intellects.

We should also remember what happened with Stephen Hawking when making statements like "God does not exist."
Rigil Kent (February 01, 2010, 15:40:22 PM):
there are signs, indications of God’s power, for people of pith, for people possessing intellects.

Please name a few of these signs and explain how you would distinguish them from random coincidence or accident?

Mintaka
BoogieMonster (February 01, 2010, 15:41:26 PM):
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We should also remember what happened with Stephen Hawking when making statements like "God does not exist."

You become a household name the world over, reach the highest spheres of academia, in spite of an debilitating illness? .And go on to make some very worthy contributions to man's knowledge of the universe. Of course, people like Albert Einstein die at the ripe old age of 76, also being hailed as one of the brightest people to ever walk the earth, working up until his very last days. (A lot of religious people I know aren't that lucky) All this after proclaiming: "I do not believe in a personal god".

Of course, I can tell you my successes in my job and life has been much the same after I became an atheist, no great tragedy has befallen me, in fact I'm doing better than ever. (To which you will of course say "YET!"). Many people I know (including those I meet at SITP), seem to be doing quite well despite claiming "God does not exist" for years on end, some even being raised atheist from birth. (Or, you could say, raised with no religion). What you are picking on is just one brilliant man who was unfortunate enough to suffer from a bad disease. One that many religious people also suffer from. I also have yet to hear of anything that bad happening to Richard Dawkins, or Sam Harris, or Christopher Hitchens. They all are perfectly fine despite leading the charge against religion.

In the end you realize: People get sick. Religious ones or atheist ones, doesn't seem to matter.

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