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« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2009, 19:06:48 PM »

Just like shooting down you're dumb theory.
See, that's where you're wrong. It's not mine. It's supported by the overwhelming majority of scientists in relevant disciplines. And here's you telling them they're all wrong. Nice.

I learn it of course. Gives me all the more reasons not to believe it.
In other words, you lie. Some "scientist" you are.
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« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2009, 20:08:25 PM »

Well your theory of evolution conveniently kicks off just where abiogenesis stops.

There is nothing convenient about it. That is just the way it is. Coming here and trying to convince us otherwise, is dishonest.
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"Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing. So where and in what did the singularity appear if not in space? We don't know. We don't know where it came from, why it's here, or even where it is. All we really know is that we are inside of it and at one time it didn't exist and neither did we."
Yip, hard core evidence. Don't know where stuff came from, don't know how it formed, don't even know why it's here, don't know much, but do know one thing though, it must have happened! 'Cause we sure don't want to believe God did it! Go "science" !

roflol - don't try so hard  mate. Science is saying, "Let us work and understand what we have and admit our limits, however never stop striving to get beyond the veil". Religion says, "Don't bother, we know" Who is being foolish?  Cheesy
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No one has ever seen a star form,

Read up some will you? Pay attention to the observation part.
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By the way, if the big bang happened, it would have happened in a frictionless environment right? Why do we then have these clumps of matter called galaxies and then zilions of miles of nothing?

God made it so? lol
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You want to tell that all the 92 elements (synthetics excluded) evolved? Yet all we observe naturally is elements decaying?

No dumbass. No points for trying to be a smarty pants. Read up on elements and more importantly nucleosynthesis Funny how evolution isn't mentioned? Further persistence would make you a liar. For it could be presumed that you didn't know before this. After it has been pointed out to you, it becomes lying. Why do all creationists lie?
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That's nonsense. Nobody has ever been able to create life or even demonstrate that it can come from anorganic matter.

I suggest you are behind the times. Not surprising really. Something for you to chew on.
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It's DNA.

roflol – no it isn't.
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No matter how much you scramble it, it cannot produce a different organism or cause it to change into another one over time. Most variations might be because of scrambled DNA, but it won't make something new. You can try as long as you like to scramble this sentence, but you will never get chinese. And the excuse of mutations forming new organisms is quite a dud. Almost all mutations are either quite disastrous or are silent mutations. And if you could ever get a beneficial mutation, with who is the organism going to reproduce to keep it going? If it reproduces with a normal organism, the mutated gene will blend back into the gene pool and will have no effect.

I don't even have to try hard. It has all been done for me. *sigh*

the canards debunked

It's numbered for your convenience. Read through it. Not a single thing you have said so far hasn't been adequately dealt with right there. When you do bring something new to the table, I'd take you seriously once more. As it stands you are a joke, you epically failed and Jesus is not pleased with your poor efforts.  Do try harder.
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« Reply #92 on: September 05, 2009, 21:30:14 PM »

It's supported by the overwhelming majority of scientists in relevant disciplines.

Yip, the majority thought the earth was flat, the majority thought big objects fall faster than little objects, the majority thought that blacks were inferior to whites (boy did that get us somewhere hey!), majority once thought that if you were sick you had bad blood and it should be taken out. Seems majority must be right then. Huh?

In other words, you lie. Some "scientist" you are.


Nope. I just write down what they want me to say, but I'll never believe in it and won't go round telling people that I do if they asked me. By the way, if the evolution religion wasn't presented almost everywhere so one-sided without considering that there might be a Designer (you ever heard someone in biology say "designed for a purpose" or "form fits funtion"?) and other ways to look at this, then I would write that down. (P.S.: evolution religion in tax supported)

Well your theory of evolution conveniently kicks off just where abiogenesis stops.

There is nothing convenient about it. That is just the way it is.


Yeah, looks to me that it must be. After all, majority thinks so right?

roflol - don't try so hard  mate. Science is saying, "Let us work and understand what we have and admit our limits, however never stop striving to get beyond the veil". Religion says, "Don't bother, we know" Who is being foolish?  Cheesy


Okay, so what do say we have a strictly scientific debate then? I'll try and not bring religion in.(If I do, tell me). Then we can look at a couple of scientific facts. Cheesy

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By the way, if the big bang happened, it would have happened in a frictionless environment right? Why do we then have these clumps of matter called galaxies and then zilions of miles of nothing?

God made it so? lol


Guess you said that cause you didn't have an answer.

Read up on elements and more importantly nucleosynthesis Funny how evolution isn't mentioned?


Funny how they speculate hey? I quote from you're link:"Big Bang nucleosynthesis occurred within the first three minutes of the beginning of the universe". The guy that came up with that must have been pretty good to calculate it to three minutes after the big bang which is supposed to have occurred 4.6bya (or 6bya or 20bya, seems like they don't even agree on when it happened) hey? Seems like every "theory" is based solely on something that "must have happened" prior to it. From where did creatures come from? They "must" have come from unicellular organisms. Where did unicellular organisms come from? They "must" have been synthezised abiotically from chemicals in soup. Where did the soup come from? It "must" have came from the rains that rained on the rock for millions of years. ......From where did higher chemicals come from? It "must" have formed during the big bang because the big bang "must" have happened. Undecided

I'd still like to know where the original matter for the big bang came from.

As it stands you are a joke.


When people critisize the messenger instead of the message, you then know they aint got much to say anymore. Wink
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« Reply #93 on: September 05, 2009, 21:57:08 PM »

Yeah, looks to me that it must be. After all, majority thinks so right?
We are all waiting with baited breath (okay that's not true, that's poetic license) for you to provide us with a proper scientific answers that explains it differently. Remember now, "Godidit" ain't scientific.
 
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Okay, so what do say we have a strictly scientific debate then? I'll try and not bring religion in.(If I do, tell me). Then we can look at a couple of scientific facts. Cheesy
Sounds good. I doubt you can provide the goods however. Here is giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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Guess you said that cause you didn't have an answer.
Not having an answer and admitting it is a good thing. Making shit up and selling it as truth™ is just wrong. I thought you'd get it. *shrugs*
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Funny how they speculate hey?
Not funny at all. Speculation is part of the parcel. When data do not fit the speculation, it (the speculation)  gets discarded. (as opposed to discarding the data when we do it your way) When last have you discarded some of the moronic truths™ you hold dear?
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I quote from you're link:"Big Bang nucleosynthesis occurred within the first three minutes of the beginning of the universe". The guy that came up with that must have been pretty good to calculate it to three minutes after the big bang which is supposed to have occurred 4.6bya (or 6bya or 20bya, seems like they don't even agree on when it happened) hey? Seems like every "theory" is based solely on something that "must have happened" prior to it. From where did creatures come from? They "must" have come from unicellular organisms. Where did unicellular organisms come from? They "must" have been synthezised abiotically from chemicals in soup. Where did the soup come from? It "must" have came from the rains that rained on the rock for millions of years. ......From where did higher chemicals come from? It "must" have formed during the big bang because the big bang "must" have happened. Undecided
As oppose to godditit eh?  That is simply a non answer. I thought we'd be keeping it scientific and you'd be providing some real science? So far: zilch. Par for this particular course?
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'd still like to know where the original matter for the big bang came from.
So would I. So would millions of thinking, questioning people. Saying "From God", is not a viable answer. How about it then? Some scientific input from you?
 
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When people critisize the messenger instead of the message, you they know they aint got much to say anymore. Wink
Your message is nonexistent.  All that is left is to laugh at you. That is no fault of mine. As said, provide something fresh, something new, something not debunked a thousand times, hell, something scientific and it would be a glorious day indeed.   Wink
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« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2009, 23:31:08 PM »

Yip, the majority thought the earth was flat, the majority thought big objects fall faster than little objects, the majority thought that blacks were inferior to whites (boy did that get us somewhere hey!), majority once thought that if you were sick you had bad blood and it should be taken out. Seems majority must be right then. Huh?
Aah Keetie, that's why you cretinists are so endlessly funny. You always have it back to front. To this day the majority of people believes just like you that some skyfairy did it all. On the other hand, I was talking about "the overwhelming majority of scientists in relevant disciplines". That's people who are experts and who have learned to examine the evidence and come to very similar conclusions. I even made the important bit bold for you so that you would see it.

Nope. I just write down what they want me to say, but I'll never believe in it and won't go round telling people that I do if they asked me.
Like I said: In other words, you lie. Some "scientist" you are.

By the way, if the evolution religion wasn't presented almost everywhere so one-sided without considering that there might be a Designer (you ever heard someone in biology say "designed for a purpose" or "form fits funtion"?) and other ways to look at this, then I would write that down. (P.S.: evolution religion in tax supported)
And this disproves evolution and proves your designer how exactly?
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« Reply #95 on: September 06, 2009, 09:39:42 AM »

Nope. I just write down what they want me to say, but I'll never believe in it and won't go round telling people that I do if they asked me.
I like it. It shows the, um, open-minded flamboyance of your typical cretinist. The bit I made bold and underlined says there is absolutely no evidence (and cannot be any) no matter how persuasive that could ever convince you that biological evolution is true. So besides lying to pass your exams, you dismiss all hypotheses out of hand that compete with the one your parents cemented into your head. Some "scientist" you are.
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« Reply #96 on: September 06, 2009, 10:06:01 AM »

Nope. I just write down what they want me to say, but I'll never believe in it and won't go round telling people that I do if they asked me.
Like I said: In other words, you lie. Some "scientist" you are.

Well if evolution is true, then do I lie or not?

By the way, if the evolution religion wasn't presented almost everywhere so one-sided without considering that there might be a Designer (you ever heard someone in biology say "designed for a purpose" or "form fits funtion"?) and other ways to look at this, then I would write that down. (P.S.: evolution religion in tax supported)
And this disproves evolution and proves your designer how exactly?
No no no. You have it wrong. I didn't say it would prove a Designer and disprove evolution. I said the evolution religion is all that's being taught( even though almost all if it is still speculation).

Okay, let me refrain from using religion. The big bang: From a science perspective, I don't know how everything got here and cannot provide an answer and neither can science. There is no way that something can come from absolutely nothing and there is no science that anyone can perform to demonstrate that something can come from absolutely zilch. It contradicts the first law of thermodynamics which states that NEITHER matter NOR energy can be created or destroyed, just changed from one form to another. Therefore the big bang cannot be scientificly plausible. That leaves the option open to a Creator which cannot be considered. The only thing left is that matter and energy itself is eternal, which in turn contradicts the second law of thermodynamics which states that no energy conversion is 100% efficient and therefore the great majority of spontaneous processes increases the entropy of the universe. In other words, the entropy of the universe is ever increasing whether a process is spontaneous or not. Therefore matter and energy cannot be eternal.

Thus, would one consider the big bang, one would have to BELIEVE that it must have happened and that places it in the category of religion, which is not permitted. And so, without religion, science can also not explain why we are here, what our purpose is, what we are worth or where everything came from. (BTW, stellar, chemical, organic and macro evolution kinda hangs on the hands of the big bang, which would be kind of hard to take place if the big bang didn't happen, and don't worry, we'll get to these topics)

Not having an answer and admitting it is a good thing.
And not having an answer doesn't make it science.

Nope. I just write down what they want me to say, but I'll never believe in it and won't go round telling people that I do if they asked me.
I like it. It shows the, um, open-minded flamboyance of your typical cretinist. The bit I made bold and underlined says there is absolutely no evidence (and cannot be any) no matter how persuasive that could ever convince you that biological evolution is true. So besides lying to pass your exams, you dismiss all hypotheses out of hand that compete with the one your parents cemented into your head. Some "scientist" you are.

Let me ask you as well then, if evolution is true like you claim it is, am I then lying when I write it down?
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« Reply #97 on: September 06, 2009, 18:45:34 PM »

Well if evolution is true, then do I lie or not?

Let me ask you as well then, if evolution is true like you claim it is, am I then lying when I write it down?
Yes, you are lying because you're not true to your own beliefs. You think you know better than all those scientists and also your examiners but you can't defend your "knowledge" properly to them. So you answer exams with what you think the examiners want instead of what you can argue convincingly. That makes you an out-and-out liar.

The big bang: …
The BB has f-all to do with evolution. Learn a thing or two. Get your disciplines sorted. And don't go confusing ontological (philosophical) questions with scientific ones. "Nothing" only makes sense when contrasted against "something". Without "something" there'd be no you to wonder about "nothing" vs. "something". Science deals with "something". Anyway physical evidence for some kind of BB happening is abundant. And BB doesn't say "Abracadabra, universe come forth from nought!" That's why you cretinists are so funny. You assume that preexistence must preexist so that you can get around your stupid assumptions of preexistence. Where did your designer-god come from, eh?
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« Reply #98 on: September 06, 2009, 19:12:40 PM »

Well if evolution is true, then do I lie or not?
You lie. It clearly is about the intent. QED.
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even though almost all if it is still speculation
More lies.
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Okay, let me refrain from using religion. The big bang: From a science perspective, I don't know how everything got here and cannot provide an answer and neither can science.
And yet you have no problem with making up answers with no supportive evidence and sell it as truth™ to your children and whomever will fall for it. The rest of the garbage I snipped because again it is a mere strawman caricature of what the BB theory actually states. You need to understand the things you hate and fight against before you try and debunk it. Else we'll have to rename you Don Quixote.
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And not having an answer doesn't make it science.
And who said it did? Making shit up as answer is what you do, however, and I'll always prefer the intellectual honest answer, "We don't know" than any kind of fantasy made up bullshit.
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« Reply #99 on: September 06, 2009, 20:13:19 PM »

Fuck me. I'm staying away from this thread in the future. The idiocy and logical fallacies is killing brain cells.
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« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2009, 17:46:16 PM »

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Fuck me. I'm staying away from this thread in the future. The idiocy and logical fallacies is killing brain cells
But it is a good scrap. Love it!!








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« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2009, 21:07:18 PM »

Nah, speaking for myself I wouldn't worry too much about no brain cells. The comedy more than makes up for it. I say let these cretinist turkeys carry on burying themselves in ever deeper kak. Extend them every opportunity to do that. They just need a hand (or finger) now and then to point them in the right direction. That would be down.
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« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2009, 14:55:04 PM »

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Nah, speaking for myself I wouldn't worry too much about no brain cells. The comedy more than makes up for it. I say let these cretinist turkeys carry on burying themselves in ever deeper kak. Extend them every opportunity to do that. They just need a hand (or finger) now and then to point them in the right direction. That would be down.
It's been highly entertaining  Grin

I have another question for jhkeet.....
Where did Noah keep the termites? He would have had to take termites onto the wooden ark to save them from extinction, plus he would have needed termites to feed the anteaters and aardvarks, so where would he have kept them - or don't baby anteaters and aardvarks eat termites? And, what did he feed the termites?  Huh?
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« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2009, 20:13:11 PM »

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Where did Noah keep the termites?

Oh! Oh! Let me!

Termites don't breath through nostrils, so Noah needn't have taken any termites, or any other arthropods, flatworms, coelenterates, polychaetes, roundworms, rotifers, amoebae, mollusks or cattle with congested sinuses.

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« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2009, 22:56:16 PM »

 Grin Guys

Atleast Noah’s bed bugs had a feast, according to my calculation he had 65507 in
his bed to free to the world, not having a vacume cleaner and all  Roll Eyes

Why da hell couldn’t he just left them behind, now see the results:

"Bedbug populations in the United States have increased by 500 percent in the past few years"
"New York City has had increased cases of bedbug infestations since the early 2000s"  Grin

And there is proof,this IS Noah’s bugs

"Bedbugs were originally brought to the United States by early colonists from Europe." Wink
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