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Teleological (January 21, 2010, 13:15:07 PM):
Please feel free to explain for us slowpokes lagging behind your towering intellect how an ability to recognise intelligent design, given verifiable the verifiable actions of verifiable intelligent designers, is irreconcilable with philosophical materialism.

Can you please do that? Because it is a supremely important point, perhaps the one cardinal one.

And please do it in baby steps, not by resort to gormless evasion.

Thank you in advance for your no doubt eruditely illuminating reply. I look forward to it.

'Luthon64
Well now, certain kinds of philosophically materialistic outlooks are plainly incompatible with any kind of design that come from the mental states of engineers, scientists etc. Eliminative materialists for one posit that mental states (such as belief and sensation and goal-directed mental states such as designing something towards a goal) do not actually exist. I am pretty sure you are not an eliminative materialist because you sure believe your mental states do have an effect on the outside world. I guess you need to tell us just what kind of an idiotic philosophical materialist you are though. A type that makes it more compatible with the existence of mental states and your very real ability at goal-directed behaviour.

Do try and explain how you are a philosophical materialist that does not just plainly collapse into eliminative materialism or similar idiotic philosophical outlooks that are just plain self-refuting. Feel free to make a new thread though.

Let's talk more about those chaperone machines and how they are used to design (scientists) new forms of RuBisCo.
Mefiante (January 21, 2010, 13:50:50 PM):
But you haven’t answered the question that was posed. You have merely rattled off an irrelevant slew of flat, unsubstantiated and superficially relevant assertions.

'Luthon64
Teleological (January 21, 2010, 14:09:20 PM):
But you haven’t answered the question that was posed. You have merely rattled off an irrelevant slew of flat, unsubstantiated and superficially relevant assertions.

'Luthon64
Evade actually defining what kind philosophical materialist you are all you want. If you don't answer that question, I am not able to answer your question as you might actually not be an eliminative materialist or an actual philsophical materialist that does not collapse into EM.
EM is incompatible with the actions of intelligent designers (verifiable or not) because it denies the existence of mental states of intelligent designers in the first. Are you too dumb to actualy get that or just willfully evading defining what kind of philosophical materialist you are that does not collapse into EM?
Mefiante (January 21, 2010, 14:44:44 PM):
You’re still just dodging. And flatly asserting, as before.

How is eliminative materialism “incompatible with the actions of intelligent designers (verifiable or not)”? Where do you get that a denial of “the existence of mental stares [sic] of intelligent designers in the first [sic]” (citation, please!) negates either the actions of designers or intelligence?

You really do make the most remarkable unsubstantiated claims sometimes. Now answer the original question and the above two, please.

'Luthon64
Teleological (January 21, 2010, 15:24:03 PM):
Mental states... (fixed)

Damn you must really be that thick:
Here:
1) Eliminative materialism asserts that items that are classified as mental simply do not exist. These include sensations and object-directed mental states such as wanting or desiring something and then acting towards such a goal. Such as wanting to design RuBisCo and then mentally designing a plan and physically carrying it out.
2) Recognising something (such as an intelligent designer) is a sensation.
3) Verifying the actions of an intelligent designer is also a sensation.

EM is irreconcilable with the ability to recognise intelligent design, given verifiable the verifiable actions of verifiable intelligent designers simply because EM states that mental states such as recognising, verifying as well as object-directed states such as wanting and desiring do not exist.

Do you get it? Are you an eliminative materialist? If not, definine what kind of philosophical materialist you are that does not collapse into EM.
If you don't understand EM, go read a book or something.

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