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« on: November 30, 2009, 08:27:06 AM »

Ok, so you skeptic gais are SO clever.
EXPLAIN THIS!!!!



Anyway, nice meeting you all.
Guess you will have to shut this site down now.
Don't feel blind.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 09:13:41 AM »

Christ. I see a lot of cops in that photo. No Jesus. Which is weird.

Can you at least give a link so we may examine the circumstances?

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 09:37:30 AM »

Of course that time thugs busted into another church a whole lot of people got shot dead on the spot.

I guess sunday is God's day of rest after all.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 10:16:33 AM »

lol, a link?

Good luck with that - Daily Sun website: http://www.dailysun.co.za/index.aspx

- cyghost: Jesus is there, in their hearts.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 11:17:46 AM »

lol, a link?

Good luck with that - Daily Sun website: http://www.dailysun.co.za/index.aspx

- cyghost: Jesus is there, in their hearts.


Yes a link. So that we may read the story for ourselves. Jesus is definitely not in their hearts, he wouldn't fit.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 11:48:16 AM »

Jesus is pretty selective:

http://www.frontline.org.za/articles/christians_underfire.htm

This is about an attack in SA, but these kinds of things aren't limited to us, of course:

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When I saw the shocking carnage at St. James Church it immediately brought similar bloody scenes flooding back into my mind. Over the last 11 years of missionary work I have personally come across dozens of similar atrocities, especially in Angola and Mozambique.
In August 1983 Frelimo troops killed 5 pastors and burnt down all 5 churches in Maskito village, Zambezia province, Mozambique. In September 1983 Frelimo troops killed over 50 Christians and burnt a church down in Pasura village. At Chilleso Evangelical Church, in Angola, Cuban troops shot 150 Christians during a church service. At New Adams farm in Zimbabwe, 16 missionaries and their children were murdered in November 1987.

Muslim mobs have burnt down hundreds of churches and killed hundreds of Christians in Nigeria. In the Sudan more than a hundred Christians were crucified earlier this year. Many hundreds of churches have been attacked in Ethiopia over the last 20 years. And there are no more churches in Somalia - the last church was burnt down and the last minister murdered late last year. And one could continue to recount literally hundreds of similar atrocities.


I guess those people didn't have Jesus in their hearts.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 12:09:34 PM »

I understand that you would like a link to read the story for yourself.
Now, as loathe as I am to argue with a vampire/ghost skeptic guy, I must propose the following: *gets garlic and silver bullets*

The Daily sun newspaper does not keep electronic versions of their stories on their website, you can see this for yourself if you follow the link I posted earlier.
The only way to read the story would be to purchase said respectable and reputable newspaper, or I could take a photo of the text and post it up for you guys.
Now why would you want to read the article? To show that the power of prayer was indeed not responsible for the recovery of the stolen items and criminals?

If that is the case, please bear in mind that this paper has a readership of about 4 million per day. By law, this publication is not allowed to favor or discriminate against a particular religious slant and that such a popular paper would be under obligation to investigate and research their stories extensively before printing them.
If papers could just print whatever without proof and extensive research, we would have a serious problem.

And yes, Jesus could indeed fit inside their hearts. Physically, a 2000 year old corpse would be nothing more than a bit of dust, which could fit.
Spiritually/mentally; they are motivated by psychosocial, peer and cultural belief in Jesus. This influence could be said to be "in their hearts" as it alters the cognitive - affect system.
Or even if Jesus is not a physical entity, perhaps composed of radio waves or some sort of psychic energy, Who knows? That could fit also.
Amusing visual though, a grown man trying to fit into someones heart - literally.

Perhaps it counts if part of Jesus is present. It is possible that the air they are breathing was once in Jesus' own lung, or the water in their body may have a molecule of water that was once passed through his digestive system. Perhaps even the chemicals of his body found their way in their bodies. Jesus was in their heart, in a homeopathic kinda way perhaps.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 12:34:29 PM »

Ah yes, The Daily Sun. What could one possibly add to that unparalleled paragon of accurate reportage? It tells of sangoma spells as readily as resurrected dead folks. Huisgenoot and People magazine use it for a template.

In some cases you can judge a book by its cover. Sheesh.

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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 13:23:52 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 13:33:37 PM »

I understand that you would like a link to read the story for yourself.
That is how I roll.
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Then why post fucked up little pictures of fucked up little newspapers as if you are making an argument of some kind in the first place?
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The Daily sun newspaper does not keep electronic versions of their stories on their website, you can see this for yourself if you follow the link I posted earlier.
I did. This isn't my problem. You are trying to say something. Do it right or leave it alone.
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The only way to read the story would be to purchase said respectable and reputable newspaper, or I could take a photo of the text and post it up for you guys.
Do the photo.
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Now why would you want to read the article? To show that the power of prayer was indeed not responsible for the recovery of the stolen items and criminals?
That is how I roll. See above.
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If that is the case, please bear in mind that this paper has a readership of about 4 million per day.
Yes because we all know that 4 million people can't possibly be wrong about anything.  Roll Eyes

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And yes, Jesus could indeed fit inside their hearts. Physically, a 2000 year old corpse would be nothing more than a bit of dust, which could fit.
How would dead Jesus dust get into their hearts?
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Spiritually/mentally; they are motivated by psychosocial, peer and cultural belief in Jesus. This influence could be said to be "in their hearts" as it alters the cognitive - affect system.
Or even if Jesus is not a physical entity, perhaps composed of radio waves or some sort of psychic energy, Who knows? That could fit also.
Amusing visual though, a grown man trying to fit into someones heart - literally.
I was a cop for 8 years. Jesus was never in my heart. I doubt Jesus is in any heart in any of the ways you just described. At most he is an idea in their heads. The heart doesn't do what you think it does.
 
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 13:36:29 PM »




Don't you believe that god originated out of nothing?
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2009, 15:25:47 PM »

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I stopped reading at that point. You're saying that the same newspaper that regularly says that Tokoloshes exist is real, is a reputable and respectable newspaper? Oh dear Wotan, I can't stop laughing.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 01:30:44 AM »

Atheism

The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened ... blah, blah, blah.
Yup, another response as devoid of factual content as it is full of faith-based supposition. Please point me at the atheist who says either directly or by implication that "I don't know" means "everything came from nothing". It's funny though how most atheists emerge from a position of indoctrinated belief. One is tempted to say that atheists outgrow the need for juvenile fairytales concerning origins.

Don't you believe that god originated out of nothing?
Theologians are more or less agreed that god is a "necessary being". Apart from not saying exactly which of several thousand gods is The One nor what properties such necessity entails, that's the usual hysterically funny religionistic copout: god works in mysterious ways and manages to pull himself out of his own ass in the process.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 08:46:03 AM »

Irreverend, you are quite right - the point of posting that pic in response to the one on Christianity, was to illustrate that anything can seem absurd when written in such a way and taken out of context.

BoogieMonster  - No, I do not believe that God originated out of nothing. It would be better to ask someone with theistic beliefs.

Mandarb - Dear Wotan indeed. I have an excellent collection of articles from the Daily Sun, ranging from zombies to tokoloshes, people being raped by snakes and muthi.

Cyghost - I am pleased that is how you roll, but you are doing the skeptic movement a disservice. Instead of supporting skepticism by arguing logically and factually, you revert to bully tactics and offensive behavior. This may scare some people off or make them hesitant to engage in further conversation with you, which would remove the opportunity to teach people critical thinking and logical argument. Indeed you should thrive on argument and debate, instead of allowing your insecurity  and alpha male tendencies to beat down opposing thought.

To answer you questions:
"Then why post fucked up little pictures of fucked up little newspapers as if you are making an argument of some kind in the first place?" I take this to mean "If you don't want to argue, why are you posting pictures of articles in newspapers?"
I do want to argue, I posted the pic for that purpose. I said "as loathe as I am to argue with a vampire/ghost skeptic guy, I must propose the following:" because I predicted, based on your previous behavior that you would react as you did.

You said: "I did. This isn't my problem. You are trying to say something. Do it right or leave it alone." There is no stipulation in the terms of use for this forum that all posted stories or pics from newspapers should be accompanied by the full text. You have no place or right to tell me to leave it alone.

the text:



Please proceed to roll, as you do.

"I was a cop for 8 years. Jesus was never in my heart. I doubt Jesus is in any heart in any of the ways you just described. At most he is an idea in their heads. The heart doesn't do what you think it does."

Yes, when I spoke of "the heart" in that context as the locus of feelings and intuitions. It is a fairly common metaphor and expression. No need to intentionally refer to things in another context where it is not ambiguous just to prove a point. Skeptics should value truth over making a point, right?

The fact that you have never experienced "Jesus being in your heart" is only a result of lack of belief and adherence to the Christian faith. You would have experienced it as being compassion, love, kindness or philanthropic feelings, with no attached religious connotations - as a religious person would have.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 09:25:24 AM »

Cyghost - I am pleased that is how you roll, but you are doing the skeptic movement a disservice. Instead of supporting skepticism by arguing logically and factually, you revert to bully tactics and offensive behavior. This may scare some people off or make them hesitant to engage in further conversation with you, which would remove the opportunity to teach people critical thinking and logical argument. Indeed you should thrive on argument and debate, instead of allowing your insecurity  and alpha male tendencies to beat down opposing thought.

I am not part of any movement and write for and of myself only. I am not here to teach anyone anything and my tactics are my own.

That being said, if you think to start a conversation by posting a shitty little picture of a newspaper heading as if making some kind of point, you'll get the response from me you have. Live with it. Or don't. I don't care at all. Now that you have your own add homs out of the way lets continue. Well, lets see if there is anything to continue with first.
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"Then why post fucked up little pictures of fucked up little newspapers as if you are making an argument of some kind in the first place?" I take this to mean "If you don't want to argue, why are you posting pictures of articles in newspapers?"
I do want to argue, I posted the pic for that purpose.

That is one screwed up way of making a point. And completely useless. Which forces me to amuse myself in other ways. GiGo.
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I said "as loathe as I am to argue with a vampire/ghost skeptic guy, I must propose the following:" because I predicted, based on your previous behavior that you would react as you did.

Yes, yes we noted the add homs and realise you think you are the only one allowed to make such. Moving on then shall we?
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You said: "I did. This isn't my problem. You are trying to say something. Do it right or leave it alone." There is no stipulation in the terms of use for this forum that all posted stories or pics from newspapers should be accompanied by the full text. You have no place or right to tell me to leave it alone.

I don't. But I do so anyway. You can use it or not as you see fit. But the response you get is directly proportioned to your input. So then stop complaining about it like a baby perhaps?
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Please proceed to roll, as you do.

 Cry I can't. It is too small. Absolutely useless. Why don't you tell us how prayer busted the thugs instead because you a) suck at initiating conversation and b) at posting information we can work with.
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Yes, when I spoke of "the heart" in that context as the locus of feelings and intuitions. It is a fairly common metaphor and expression. No need to intentionally refer to things in another context where it is not ambiguous just to prove a point. Skeptics should value truth over making a point, right?

The point was truthful. That particular metaphor pisses me off in this context and I like to take the piss out of it. Again, I don't care how you perceive my style at all. If you were actually offering arguments instead of screwed up newspaper headings and cute metaphors, I'd perhaps have something to address and wouldn't have to amuse myself in these nefarious ways you object to so much?
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The fact that you have never experienced "Jesus being in your heart" is only a result of lack of belief and adherence to the Christian faith. You would have experienced it as being compassion, love, kindness or philanthropic feelings, with no attached religious connotations - as a religious person would have.

So having Jesus in my heart and not having Jesus in my heart is the same eh? I kinda thought so.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 09:30:03 AM »



Yeah, sorry about that - this one is better.

/whining like a baby

lol
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 09:37:31 AM »

roflol

No wonder you didn't put forward an argument or explanation.

So. You think the praying and fasting helped in this particular instance? If you do, why not in the thousands of other cases where bereaved families cry and pray for justice when loved ones are killed?

The ability of human beings to see patterns sure can be a huge drawback in thinking rationally hey?
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 09:38:50 AM »

This is what I was expecting, thus my gentle prodding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 09:55:33 AM »

Given its first post:

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Ok, so you skeptic gais are SO clever.
EXPLAIN THIS!!!!

Anyway, nice meeting you all.
Guess you will have to shut this site down now.
Don't feel blind.
I suspected as much as well. I don't mind trolls. It gives my alpha male ego a chance to let loose. Mild mannerd Bruce Banner can release the inner Hulk or sumthin.  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 09:56:37 AM »

Quote from: BoogieMonster
This is what I was expecting, thus my gentle prodding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

It has been rather quiet around here lately, a little troll feeding can be entertaining, besides I really, really want to hear all about Midd93's experiences with possession ( I hope he's talking about demons and not whacky weed!?)  Evil Grin
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 12:29:48 PM »

cyghost - I didn't respond as I would have liked because I am at work now, we can continue later.
"Mild mannerd Bruce Banner can release the inner Hulk or sumthin." I believe you.
Acting in an abrasive and rude manner and then invoking "don't be a baby" does not make your behavior acceptable or excusable. This is merely using social pressure to legitimize.
 
Also: it was not so much ad hominem as I was questioning your conduct directly, not as an attempt to devalue your argument.


Also about possession, yes not about narcotics.

This is a troll:



This is me:



Please use your skeptical powers of perception to discern a difference.

Have a good day
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 13:04:24 PM »

Irreverend, you are quite right - the point of posting that pic in response to the one on Christianity, was to illustrate that anything can seem absurd when written in such a way and taken out of context.
With the caveat of course that one must distinguish between exaggeration for the sake of highlighting ridiculous notions on the one hand, and outright fabrications on the other.

In any case, "possession" as a cause of epilepsy has absolutely zero functional value. Quite the opposite, actually, because it leads to such depraved lunacies as exorcism. In contrast an organic or psychological appraisal can provably help the afflicted. Denying this is yet another of religion's stunningly inane accomplishments.
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« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2009, 13:19:10 PM »

cyghost - I didn't respond as I would have liked because I am at work now, we can continue later.
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Jesus Christ. So your fist post here was a token of civility and an honest attempt to instigate conversation? Insulting others and when I respond in kind I am 'abrasive' and 'rude'? So be it. And freck you mate.  Cheesy
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Also: it was not so much ad hominem as I was questioning your conduct directly, not as an attempt to devalue your argument.
You understand the difference between an ad hom attack and an ad hom fallacy right? When you made your first post and in subsequent responses to me, you use add hom attacks, some in response to my own. (which was of course instigated by your first offensive post)

I don't mind it and I think you shouldn't either what with not wanting to appear to be a hypocrite and all. Hence the stop being a baby about it see?

When you said you didn't want to argue with me because of my avatar / nick name, you were in fact committing the ad hom fallacy.

I hope you now understand the distinction. And how it applies to you here.
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2009, 13:53:14 PM »

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Quite the opposite, actually, because it leads to such depraved lunacies as exorcism. In contrast an organic or psychological appraisal can provably help the afflicted. Denying this is yet another of religion's stunningly inane accomplishments.

I'm familiar with an off the wall, batshit crazy schizophrenic. The person wasn't always in the "batshit crazy" section of the spectrum. However the family of the person insisted that the cause was demonic possession (telling a schizo that the voices are real?!), an exorcism an lots of praying ensued, at the end of which the person had gone so far over the edge that they can no longer function in society. Only after did the family succumb and admit them into professional care. It was way too late.

I also know a person who is a "functioning, working, borderline normal" schizophrenic, who has been on medication all the time, admitted to hospital when things got bad, and is coping quite well...

I thus agree, it doesn't help, and indeed causes more harm.
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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 13:59:37 PM »

( I hope he's talking about demons and not whacky weed!?)  Evil Grin

I'd prefer weed.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2009, 09:38:51 AM »

"When you said you didn't want to argue with me because of my avatar / nick name, you were in fact committing the ad hom fallacy.
I hope you now understand the distinction. And how it applies to you here." oh right.

Are you really a vampire/ghost?
Then it wouldn't be ad hom, because of a genuine fear for my own life.
not fallacy but fact!

"which was of course instigated by your first offensive post" wha?
My posting of the pic of the PROOF that the power of prayer works is offensive?
I am sorry to have offended you, it was not my intent.
I was merely attempting to destroy you false and erroneous beliefs and save your soul.

Hope to see you all at SiTP tonight.
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We can get into possession and further helping you skeptics to not be so silly later.
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2009, 09:47:00 AM »

Hope to see you all at SiTP tonight.
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We can get into possession and further helping you skeptics to not be so silly later.

Lol. Challenge accepted!
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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2009, 11:57:35 AM »

"When you said you didn't want to argue with me because of my avatar / nick name, you were in fact committing the ad hom fallacy.
I hope you now understand the distinction. And how it applies to you here." oh right.

Are you really a vampire/ghost?
Then it wouldn't be ad hom, because of a genuine fear for my own life.
not fallacy but fact!
Rest assured it was a fallacy.
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My posting of the pic of the PROOF that the power of prayer works is offensive?
If your fist post was meant humorous, so was mine. If it wasn't, neither was mine. I should warn you any emotion you read in my posts are projection. I use robust and direct language becasue I am tired of bullshit. Life is too short for this much bullshit.
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I am sorry to have offended you, it was not my intent.
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I was merely attempting to destroy you false and erroneous beliefs and save your soul.
Fuck you.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2009, 14:20:38 PM »



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i have nothing intelligent to add, except LMFAO  Grin
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2009, 14:40:45 PM »

actually, i do have somthing to add.
why if one is as religious as whats-his-face 93 evidently is.  and he seems to be quite the intellectual, or he own a dictionary.
what, pray tell, is he doing on a sceptics site (i assume he knows that religion would be duly bashed here), and then joining, and, of all things, posting this half-arsed front-page from a newspaper (i think we have all agreed) is prone to publish rubbish at the best of times.

is he bored?
is he retarded?
doest he have friends?
or is he just looking to poke the sleeping dog?

surely he can have a more satisfying, and less abusive conversation with his religious peers?  or does he enjoy getting blasted to kingdom come by superior reasoning?


that pic he added of himself, smoking a cigar wearing hugh hefner gear, makes me think of a bear.  no, not pooh bear.  the bear that wear leather and has a gaggle of pretty boys he spanks on the regular.  its GAY.  and the specs is so sherlock holmes, and we all know he was quite fond of watson...

the troll, at least, has a fashionable 'do, and a six pack.


if fight-picking and nit-picking and ball-scratching was what mister whats-his-face was lookin for, he sure found it.  i personally, reserve my arguments for people who appreceate the irony of it, and the logic, for that matter.  i would rather go visit my gynea than try and convince religious types of the error in their ways.  i would have more success teaching my cats freud.

i did, though, much enjoy the banter.  hurrah!! for Sceptics!
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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2009, 09:18:05 AM »

He wanna save our souls!! Praise the gods! When he arrives at the pearly gates he can state that he has PERSONALLY saved X amount of souls during his time on earth and it will guarantee him a golfcart and a virgin at his side to spend etirnity with....
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2009, 09:22:40 AM »

Waitaminute... there are golfcarts in heaven??
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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2009, 09:49:51 AM »

ja,and tiger woods is your personal coach, if you dont mind him walking around with a 9 iron lodged in his skull...
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2009, 10:27:22 AM »

Waitaminute... there are golfcarts in heaven??


Read it somewhere on Rapture Ready. They even discuss the clothes they'll be wearing in heaven. You want some light humour, go read here:
http://www.rr-bb.com/

It gets a bit much after a while though, take bite-size portions.  Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2009, 10:43:32 AM »

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You want some light humour, go read here: http://www.rr-bb.com/


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« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2009, 11:45:36 AM »

I'm not a fan of golf, but golfcarts are friggen awesome! I may have to reconsider this whole deal...

Unless I can have some assurance of the equivalent, you know, "down under".
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« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2009, 12:27:19 PM »

down under you get strippers, drugs and sodomy.  so make sure you order lube for the afterlife.
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« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2009, 13:15:01 PM »

The question is whether I can barter my soul twice or not I guess. Strippers, drugs and sodomy does sound enticing but man that golfcart...
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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2009, 13:44:35 PM »

alas, i allready sold my virgin soul to allah back in the day.  so guess whose waiting for me when i die? 
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« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2009, 13:50:22 PM »

Beardy suicide bombers.  Grin

Edit: You know, for a culture so sensitive about issues of sex, they sure have some weird heaveanly rewards.
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« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2009, 13:56:14 PM »

Yeab but they don't have golfcarts...
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« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2009, 13:58:39 PM »

I wonder if you can pre-order?

http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/Hummer%20Golf%20Cart.jpg

http://www.gadgetgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/golfcartbling1.jpg
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« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2009, 14:06:32 PM »

Oh man, those are totally awesome!
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2010, 14:16:38 PM »

He wanna save our souls!! Praise the gods! When he arrives at the pearly gates he can state that he has PERSONALLY saved X amount of souls during his time on earth and it will guarantee him a golfcart and a virgin at his side to spend etirnity with....

Who wants a girl by his side that stays a virgin for eternity   Grin  She won't be that by the end of the day  Wink

I read that they are having a shortage of virgins in heaven with all these suicide bombings and all.  Having to have 72 of them ready for these mindless fundies almost on a daily basis, they are having a hard time to replenish the stock.  I think they said there will be a rationing system soon - most probably the more you took with you when you pushed the button, the closer you will get to 72 virgins  Wink  If they run out, I suppose they will have to take those that were slightly, but gently, used  Roll Eyes

Here is a question to Mid93: were is my soul while I am alive, were will it go when I die and were was it before I were born ? 
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« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2010, 09:59:53 AM »


I read that they are having a shortage of virgins in heaven with all these suicide bombings and all. [/quote]
You think there is a shortage now? Wait until Mr. Zuma makes his entrance. Or maybe he will go to hell.. poor sods.
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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2010, 15:41:08 PM »

Every now and then an email makes the rounds with just an absurd amount of scripture quotes, these people take scripture as an irrefutable source so anything you say makes them think you're a complete nut. Challenging their source doesn't do much because they try to explain away everything they don't agree with, the best response I've found is to give them so many contradictions and horrific acts in the bible that they quit and generally never try it again, if they do just repeat. This is a pretty good start:

http://friendlyatheist.com/2010/04/28/the-bible-quiz-show/
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