You seem obsessed with pots and kettles...
I'm obsessed with factual reasoning.
What we have here appears to be a failure to communicate.
Firstly - "The transexuals who killed themselves were more emotionally hurt than the straights who also killed themselves....". I NEVER SAID THAT.
Yeah hence I explicitly used the word "imply". You keep banging on about the bullying of those two pupils being "worse" than anyone else's bullying. However the result is the same hence you fail to make your point using anything other than special pleading. Facts, please, that can be backed up.
What I said was "some instances of bullying are worse than others." - meaning that there is a difference between someone being picked on with name-calling and a little prank or two - and getting beaten up on the playground or after school on a daily basis. I should think that is self-explanatory, regardless of who the victim is.
That's my point. Regardless of who the victim is, the problem is the same, and the solution is probably also the same.
Second - "Restrictive system?! Is this 1984? I would never restrict people rights to freedom of speech." - Where a child or individual is forced into a mold that goes against their nature in such a way as to degrade their sense of self-worth I would call it restrictive.
I would too, I've stated that early on. I respect people who live out "who they are" irrespective
of what others think. Notice I say "irrespective", not "we should force them to think differently". Hence thought crime, hence 1984, which I've read, Animal Farm too, and not because they were prescribed in school, because for me it wasn't. I read it voluntarily as an adult.
Oh and by the way - the comment of "special treatment" was made by boogiemonster. You are Boogiemonster, aren't you? You did say "...instead of pretending the problem is unique to transsexuals only, and then pleading for special treatment and calling it equality." Oops.
Yes I did and you have not given me anything other than emotional appeals to change my opinion. Note though, I set MYSELF up in making that argument completely ignorant of the actual picture. I AM here to learn new things. I even admitted my argument was weak by qualifying my statements more than once... The idea was for you to at least try and form a solid rationale of WHY you think so. You could've googled some more stats, you could've showed me studies and reports, psychological trends, or even a significantly higher percentage of teen suicide linked to sexuality. I have NO idea what that % is, you want to argue it based on a very weak stat, but it MAY be very high.. but we don't know... do we?
However you didn't. You gave me emotional appeals... for special treatment of these individuals, because they happen to fall into a category you particularly sympathize with. I even admitted right up front that my argument is weak, to probe you to prove me wrong. You didn't. Wanna try again? I WANT to know. Do you?
I never tried to make a case that there is a trend of transgender suicides among school children resulting from homophobic/transphobic bullying. What I did was indicate that there IS a trend of LGBTI suicides among school children resulting from homophobic/transphobic bullying.
You did NOTHING to prove it, hence in my mind, you did try, and you have failed (so far, but I await a second swing at it). I can state some facts too: "The sky is purple and there are unicorns on rainbows. FACT!"
What? You have a PROBLEM with a purple sky and RAINBOWS?! What kind of a sick twisted person ARE YOU?! You ignorant stupid person you! Those are facts and that's that, if you don't understand the purple sky and unicorn theory then you are obviously a bad person! - That's how you come across for me. I have nothing but sympathy for alphabet soup people, but seriously, you don't do the case much good arguing the way you do.
There is no denying that.
I deny it on the grounds that you make a shitty argument.