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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2011, 13:49:18 PM »

This was the largest-scale ever homeopathic study, involving 2.3 million patients in parts of Cuba, who were given two doses of a homeopathic remedy as a preventative to the hurricane-triggered disease. The infection rate for leptospirosis dropped to near zero, for a cost that was a small fraction of what they had been paying for vaccination. Cuba now uses the homeopathic protocol with its entire population (Bracho, Gustavo, personal communication).

Currently, they’re working on another study on upper respiratory infections, with nine million (9,000,000) people.http://www.sphq.org/pdf/leptospirosis_epidemic.pdf

Remedies are made by a sequence of dilutions of the starting material in purified water or aqueous ethanol with considerable agitation (called succussion)

A controversial paper in Nature http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref2.html#r containing data from several laboratories, claiming to prove the efficacy of extreme dilution (the 'memory of water' http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ref12.html#r has not been generally accepted after the results were reported as not reproducible under closely controlled and observed (by Nature's self-acknowledged biased observers), but strained, overly-demanding and unsympathetic, conditions with negative results from only one laboratory being cherry-picked from amongst otherwise positive results .

Preliminary data obtained using Raman and Ultra-Violet–Visible (UV–VIS) spectroscopy illustrate the ability to distinguish two different homeopathic medicines (Nux vomica and Natrum muriaticum) from one another and to differentiate, within a given medicine, the 6c, 12c, and 30c potencies.http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1475491607000628

From 75 publications, 67 experiments (1/3 of them replications) were evaluated. Nearly 3/4 of them found a high potency effect, and 2/3 of those 18 that scored 6 points or more and controlled contamination. Nearly 3/4 of all replications were positive. Design and experimental models of the reviewed experiments were inhomogenous, most were performed on basophiles.” (Same thing Benveniste was studying.) What frustrates the scientists is that this isn’t 100% reproducible. They are working on figuring out why.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17544864

There are a hell of a lot of studies being done to isolate exactly what is having the effect.Those who claim homeopathy is invalid because it is unexplained should also note that the placebo effect is always controlled for in high-quality studies–even though it, too, is unexplained.
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2011, 15:34:42 PM »

According to a recent study released by the Chamber of Commerce of India (ASSOCHAM), the world homoeopathy market is a $5.35 billion dollar market and growing at a rapid annual rate. If one multiplies $5.35 billion by just 1.25% annually, without adjustment for inflation, one gets a $1.1 trillion dollar global market by 2035…

Little wonder business interest committed to other forms of medicine are working so hard to destroy homeopathy.  A healthcare revolution has started…

Homeopathy is a 200-year-old system of medicine used successfully by over 250 million people worldwide.  It has a laudable and extensively documented clinical record and there is a large number of high quality, peer-reviewed basic science, pre-clinical and clinical studies showing its effects.  For more information on this system and the extensive research supporting efficacy, please visit this link “http://www.nationalcenterforhomeopathy.org/articles-research Kiss
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2011, 15:52:42 PM »

[Homoeopathy] has a laudable and extensively documented clinical record and there is a large number of high quality, peer-reviewed basic science, pre-clinical and clinical studies showing its effects.


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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2011, 16:15:01 PM »

I note that this thread is posted in Fun etc...and so it should be. Druggie refer to the older thread on homeopathy (I still don't know how to do the (here) thingy) my bad!:D
...and welcome by the way.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2011, 17:05:15 PM »

No, no, it’s very well kept here in the “Fun” section!  I mean, the jokes might be a bit stale for some but they are jokes, right?  We’ve even got the Big-Pharma-is-an-Oppressor-of-Truth punchline!

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P.S. Brian, the “here” linky thing isn’t hard.  Each sub-forum, thread and post has a unique hyperlink, illustrated by the following examples.  You can get the link by right-clicking on the appropriate webpage link and selecting “Copy Shortcut” from the popup menu (I’m assuming you’re using a MS Windows computer with MS Internet Explorer).

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http://forum.skeptic.za.org/conspiracy-theories/


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The following code example shows you how to implement a link (you can just copy & paste the pro forma as it is from the grey box below):
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The code above will show as: “Here is how you do X.”

I hope this clears it up for you.
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2011, 17:36:54 PM »

Little wonder business interest committed to other forms of medicine are working so hard to destroy homeopathy.  A healthcare revolution has started…

Of course, those business interests have NO interest in producing this wonderful new stuff for themselves and also raking in the billionses. They're quite happy to let other companies have that money.

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2011, 18:30:20 PM »

But BoogieMonster, don’t you see?  That’s because the vast majority of the homoeopathic Materia Medica isn’t patentable, therefore Big Pharma will have a hard time milking and bilking people for the Big Bucks.

No, it’s far simpler for Big Pharma to manufacture from scratch and maintain a fiction that is just a third of the age of homoeopathy through which Big Pharma has unceremoniously elbowed aside all those unfortunate and caring homoeopaths whose treatments are at least equally good.  (Exactly how Big Pharma managed to make all those Big Bucks with which to displace homoeopathy in the first place is a question best left unasked.  Perish the thought that it might have something to do with actual efficacy. Roll Eyes )

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2011, 06:03:56 AM »

here it is debunked

Wow I gotit Thanx Mefiante
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2011, 13:49:10 PM »

Mefiante your comments on i don't know what, prove i don' know what.The page it comes from, which you requested when you asked for proof, I provided accordingly.You want proof then 2.3 million people should be sufficient.Bryan thanks for the welcome and I heed your advice.One thing to add to your fun section.As it goes the one and only prince Charles effectively uses homeopathic remedies on his farm animals in HighGrove and so do many other farmers,do they know there is some magical diluted formula that allows them to have miraculous placebo induced trauma Huh? . Does a tiny baby know when their fever drops dramatically using Belladonna or Aconite, that they have been given a homeopathic medicine?For the treatment of arsenic poisoning Arsenicum is used .Placebo? my recreational Pharmaceutical ass.

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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2011, 14:28:43 PM »

Check your facts:  I didn’t ask you for proof, someone else did.  Now go check all of your other “facts.”  They don’t hold water either.

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2011, 09:21:04 AM »

Prince Charles i a very poor advert for alternative medicine...he's full of woo woo. Let's tick to unbiased scientific process. My sister in law has Limphoma in a serious way and is totally woo driven and opted for naturalistic and homeopathic medicines (her daughter is a homeopath also woo) much against the advice of oncologists...her chances of survival are slim indeed...watch this space.
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2011, 07:09:03 AM »

prince Charles effectively uses homeopathic remedies on his farm animals in HighGrove
Prince Charles is an inbred mutant with an IQ lower than his shoe size.  It doesn't surprise me in the least that he uses homeopathic remedies on his poor animals.
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2011, 08:13:30 AM »

Little wonder business interest committed to other forms of medicine are working so hard to destroy homeopathy.  A healthcare revolution has started…

Of course, those business interests have NO interest in producing this wonderful new stuff for themselves and also raking in the billionses. They're quite happy to let other companies have that money.

*end sarcasm*

And of course all that money would be *NO* incentive *AT ALL* for these people to grasp at any sort of weak and badly done study to use as evidence for the efficacy for their fairy dust.
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2011, 14:16:46 PM »

...You want proof then 2.3 million people should be sufficient

Hardly, "allopathy" has touched the lives of billions of people, and I'm willing to bet it has directly SAVED the lives of billions. I still await the homeopathic emergency room for critical situations. It seems such a thing does not exist. Wonder why? A quick shot of adrenalin can save someone having an acute allergic reaction. Where is the homeopathic substitute for that and would you take it if you were on a table suffocating after eating some nuts, only seconds left to live... or would you take the adrenalin?

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... uses homeopathic remedies on his farm animals in HighGrove and so do many other farmers,do they know there is some magical diluted formula that allows them to have miraculous placebo induced trauma Huh?

There is little evidence for or against placebo in animals. Some hypotheses exist FOR the effect in animals:

1. the animal becoming conditioned to feeling better every time after visiting a vet / receiving a shot /etc.
2. the owners of the animal behaving differently after the treatment, and thus affecting the animal's mental state.

Same can go for babies. To be blunt, we don't know, and it's presumptuous to make assertions based on that idea.

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[...]A healthcare revolution has started [...]

Homeopathy is a 200-year-old system...

Is this an extremely slow revolution? Related question: in the last 200 years, how many global pandemics have been (completely or nearly) wiped out by homeopathy vs. allopathy (smallpox, polio, etc)?
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2011, 09:49:39 AM »

I have invented a homeopathic cure for gullibility. You take a tablet per day, and you know they must have worked when you no longer believe that they do.
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