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« on: January 20, 2011, 08:47:51 AM »

I saw this http://www.buffalobeast.com/?p=4182 on Pharyngula. Did not like their # 1. Now how about compiling a list of the most repulsive South Africans?



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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 09:02:36 AM »

I've got three nominations for the list - in no particular order:

Malema (I'm actually in awe of the man and the amount of nonsense he manages to spew)
Mr Potatohead Angus Buchan (need I say anything?)
Glenda Wiid (Ms Potatohead - who believes in annointing abusive husband's heads with oil and asking them for forgiveness for being a crappy wife and deserving his abuse - all the while wearing sexy underwear and lots of lipstick - apparently this will make him a more attentive and loving husband)


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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 09:03:00 AM »

the list would, unavoidably, be filled to bursting with politicians.  old ju-ju no doubt taking top honours.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 10:00:23 AM »

Malema, Buchan and Wiid are merely daft and/or deluded, but, if little else, they’re sincere in their convictions.  My vote for Most Repulsive South African must go to Marthinus van Schalkwyk, a.k.a. Kortbroek.  I stand dumbfounded at the biological enigma presented by a person who exhibits all the traits of being alive and sapient while being composed, seemingly, of nothing but slime.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 10:03:52 AM »

I stand dumbfounded at the biological enigma presented by a person who exhibits all the traits of being alive and sapient while being composed, seemingly, of nothing but slime.
Thank you so much for that description.  I got to taste my coffee going down and again when it came out through my nose.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2011, 10:17:11 AM »

Alan Boesak (okok, politicians may be an easy target but...)
Eugine Tereblanche (posthumous but I'm qualifying all these so...)
Manto Tshabalala-Msimang (Oh Manto, how have you fucked up lately, let us count the many, many ways....)

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hmm
Perhaps I should make a "I'm not-entirely-sad they're dead" list.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2011, 16:43:05 PM »

Juanita du P the gospel singer.... Sad
Steve Hoffies???
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2011, 16:51:16 PM »

Juanita du P the gospel singer.... Sad
Steve Hoffies???


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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2011, 16:56:41 PM »

aaaah! and then we have Marietta Theunissen and all her ilk, what's that guy's name with the quantum machine Oh yes! Danie Krugel...politically I find (like Gareth Cliff said) Blade Nzimande repulsive as well, especially his vitriol and hatred of whites and capitalism.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2011, 17:22:13 PM »

Yeah, actually Danie Botha also has this slimeyness about him.
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2011, 23:36:33 PM »

His political and economical scope on South Africa made me a big fan of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi until he committed the following verbal diarrhea: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Black-students-still-suppressed-Vavi-20110121

I can't believe a leader could spout such nonsense! 
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2011, 02:39:07 AM »

His political and economical scope on South Africa made me a big fan of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi until he committed the following verbal diarrhea: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Black-students-still-suppressed-Vavi-20110121

I can't believe a leader could spout such nonsense!
 


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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2011, 10:19:34 AM »

His political and economical scope on South Africa made me a big fan of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi until he committed the following verbal diarrhea: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Black-students-still-suppressed-Vavi-20110121

I can't believe a leader could spout such nonsense! 


But that's what leaders do. Tell the people what they want to hear. You stay popular and therefore get lots of support. If you have to do something not so popular you put the right "spin" on it or you wangle it so it looks like your opponent did it. Or your spokesman say you were quoted out of content. Maybe I am cynical, but if I hear somebody in authority say something, I think what is behind it.
Here he was speaking to students, most of who is not doing to well. They don't want to hear that they have to start working so, blame something else.
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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2011, 01:38:51 AM »

His political and economical scope on South Africa made me a big fan of Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi until he committed the following verbal diarrhea: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Black-students-still-suppressed-Vavi-20110121

I can't believe a leader could spout such nonsense! 


But that's what leaders do. Tell the people what they want to hear. You stay popular and therefore get lots of support. If you have to do something not so popular you put the right "spin" on it or you wangle it so it looks like your opponent did it. Or your spokesman say you were quoted out of content. Maybe I am cynical, but if I hear somebody in authority say something, I think what is behind it. Here he was speaking to students, most of who is not doing to well. They don't want to hear that they have to start working so, blame something else.


Recently, I have picked-up that the overall South African attitude, especially amongst Skeptics, are very negative towards political leaders and the participation in politics. According to my worldview, political leaders are needed to guide mankind and politics is the platform to facilitate that purpose. Did the circumstances change so much that politics became a magnet for sleazy opportunist without any integrity?

Where are the Lincoln's, Churchill's and Gandhi's of our time?

Are my concerns real or do we have to accept the fact that political leaders are just human beings like the rest of us and are prone to making mistakes, just as we accepted the fact that we live in an imperfect world?
 
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 07:56:56 AM »

Lincoln's, Churchill's and Gandhi's of our time?
Lincolns, Churchills and Ghandis.  Cometh the hour cometh the man.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2011, 09:37:35 AM »

Apologies Stones,

My personal editor is on leave. Wink
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2011, 10:36:32 AM »

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Are my concerns real or do we have to accept the fact that political leaders are just human beings like the rest of us and are prone to making mistakes, just as we accepted the fact that we live in an imperfect world?
 
Problem comes in when it is not honest mistakes. When these "mistakes" are clear nepotism, corruption or just plain incompetence. I agree, we need a real leader, until then we will just slowly sink to the bottom.
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2011, 10:57:50 AM »

Did the circumstances change so much that politics became a magnet for sleazy opportunist without any integrity?
Yes.  It’s not in a politician’s interests to have fixed or unpopular principles.  Politics has become chiefly about winning support, not actually doing anything really positive.

And be careful painting Gandhi as lilywhite.  There’s at least as much myth about him as man.  Why he is hailed as a hero by many black South Africans can only be explained by their not knowing what he actually fought for.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2011, 19:49:35 PM »

Lincoln's, Churchill's and Gandhi's of our time?
Lincolns, Churchills and Ghandis.  Cometh the hour cometh the man.

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How about a forum rule that members who have never posted anything in Afrikaans are disallowed to criticize Afrikaner's English?
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2011, 21:00:06 PM »

This being in the Fun sub-forum, it’s hard to say if that is an earnest suggestion, but it would be much like a rule disallowing those who have never practised medicine from criticising CAM.

I understand that correcting someone’s language errors can be annoying because it seems that the properness of the words is taken as more important than the ideas they intend to convey, but aren’t accuracy and correctness in all spheres what scepticism strives towards?  Why should written language be exempt?

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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2011, 21:51:11 PM »

Thanks for the support Hermes,

But, to be honest, I appreciate the Grammar Nazi's in my life and spellchecker. In school, I did quite well in Afrikaans and German, but my English marks were much lower than the marks for the other languages. I think it has something to do with the fact that my dad despised English as the language of the Anti-Christ and the suppressor of the Boerevolk. That notion left an (almost) permanent psychological effect on me which is a challenge to overcome. That is the closest I can get to an explanation.

A bit of irony, My English teacher in Matric was the daughter-in-law of Dr. H.F. Verwoerd. She was a brilliant teacher but alas, I failed to give her any satisfaction.

Please feel free to assist and correct me. After all, as Mefiante said, being sceptical is being correct. Finish en Klaar.


Mefiante, Please send me some links to support your views on the 'not so lily white Gandhi'. I would love to investigate. To me he was a symbol of successful, peaceful resistance in the uttermost extreme.
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2011, 22:55:42 PM »

Notwithstanding its revisionist and anti-liberal agenda, this article succinctly summarises Gandhi’s views mostly by citing his own words.  It is carefully referenced.  Here is a review of a Gandhi biography that examines many of the man’s less wholesome views in context.

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2011, 07:32:00 AM »

Lincoln's, Churchill's and Gandhi's of our time?
Lincolns, Churchills and Ghandis.  Cometh the hour cometh the man.

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How about a forum rule that members who have never posted anything in Afrikaans are disallowed to criticize Afrikaner's English?

Ekke se nee.

But, how do you blame this particular error on "Afrikaner" English? What would be the plural of "Lincoln" in Afrikaans?
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2011, 07:35:07 AM »

Lincolns

Openheimers

rwenzories

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ETA: ek sê ook nee, mens *kan* en moet leer.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2011, 08:45:21 AM »

But, how do you blame this particular error on "Afrikaner" English?
It’s the Afrikaans rule of using the apostrophe to indicate plurals when the noun ends with a vowel.  Only the case here in one instance, I realise, but the proper Afrikaans rule is often liberally and enthusiastically flouted even by native speakers of the language.  Nor is it helped by such abominations as “CD’s” or “DVD’s” or “Hits of the 80’s” etc., all of which are apostrophial eyesores.

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« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2011, 09:11:00 AM »

but the proper Afrikaans rule is often liberally and enthusiastically flouted even by native speakers of the language.
Dis hoe ons rol.  Cheesy


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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2011, 09:18:11 AM »

afrikaans is, as far as i remember, the youngest of the world's recognized languages.  so in the great scheme of things, it's still a squirmy pink drooling thing.  i recon, that grammar rules, and how we decide how plurals are used, is still in an evolutionary phase.  as are all languages, whether you like it or not.  old oxford dictionary is adding new word every year, like 'de-friend', which had a plethora of old ballies choke on their tea im sure.
i remember, when i was studying information technology, you could write your exams in afrikaans, but you would get zero if you used terminology like 'harde skyf' as opposed to 'hard drive'.
if someone asked me 'waar is daai dee-vee-dee?'  i would propably ignore them.
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2011, 12:55:38 PM »

Obviously such a rule cannot be seriously considered and my comment was somewhat tongue in the cheek.  I think one may spare a thought on how one would have fared, had roles been reversed.
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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2011, 13:07:22 PM »

Thanks for the support Hermes,

But, to be honest, I appreciate the Grammar Nazi's in my life and spellchecker.
You mentioned to me that you are selfconscious about your inadequate English and that it inhibits you from posting on the forum.  I am pleased that you are not deterred.  Good language wins first prize, but rather a somewhat flawed contribution than none.  This also applies to many silent members or tempted guests out there.
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2011, 14:23:01 PM »

Thanks for the support Hermes,

But, to be honest, I appreciate the Grammar Nazi's in my life and spellchecker.
You mentioned to me that you are selfconscious about your inadequate English and that it inhibits you from posting on the forum.  I am pleased that you are not deterred.  Good language wins first prize, but rather a somewhat flawed contribution than none.  This also applies to many silent members or tempted guests out there.

My English is not too wonderful either, and GCG's (is that apostrophy right or wrong now?) is all too colourful with punctuation all over the place. Not everybody is boffins at everything, but if the message is clear and the content interesting and relevant (in the clever boards) it should'nt be a problem at all to anybody?

I generally dont post in the more serious boards simply because I dont have the ability to express myself clearly in writing and tend to write (talk) in circles without getting to the point I'm desperately want to make.
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2011, 14:33:49 PM »

I generally dont post in the more serious boards simply because I dont have the ability to express myself clearly in writing and tend to write (talk) in circles without getting to the point I'm desperately want to make.

i avoid them coz i dislike intellectual snobbery.
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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2011, 14:44:23 PM »

(in the clever boards)
Cheesy
i avoid them coz i dislike intellectual snobbery.
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2011, 14:56:04 PM »

… GCG's (is that apostrophye right or wrong now?)…
Yes.

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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2011, 15:02:51 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2011, 15:26:06 PM »

… GCG's (is that apostrophye right or wrong now?)…
Yes.

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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2011, 15:57:44 PM »

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See it.  Today.

“I love the smell of punctuation in the morning.”

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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2011, 17:47:54 PM »

Thanks for the support Hermes,

But, to be honest, I appreciate the Grammar Nazi's in my life and spellchecker.
You mentioned to me that you are selfconscious about your inadequate English and that it inhibits you from posting on the forum.  I am pleased that you are not deterred.  Good language wins first prize, but rather a somewhat flawed contribution than none.  This also applies to many silent members or tempted guests out there.

Ekke stem saam.

Seriously ( reverting to Ingils ) though, just post in Afrikaans. Don't hide your light under a bushel, as is written somewhere.  Wink  Fork sommer voort.
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