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Are you a militant Atheist?

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« on: August 23, 2010, 14:46:23 PM »

Have'nt got a lot of time - but I managed to glance through this and figured that if we lot were the Taliban, we'd have taken over the world by now.....

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistactivism/tp/YouMightBeMilitantAtheist.htm

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It's common to hear religious theists complain about "militant atheists," but just what is a militant atheist? What separates militant atheists from regular (pacifist?) atheists? It's not always easy to tell and the people most likely to call atheists "militant" seem to be the least likely to try to explain the label. So here is a guide to militant atheism derived from the sorts of situations where religious theists insist that atheists are being too militant and demand that atheists be quiet or otherwise behave more deferentially towards religion, religious beliefs, and religious institutions.



I'm a pacifist at the best of times, but according to this, I'm ready to take up arms for my cause.....

and the comments are an interesting glance as well:

http://atheism.about.com/u/ua/liberationatheology/Militant-Theism-Religion-Stories.htm
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2010, 15:19:32 PM »

oops, seems im more militant than i thought.  oh well, so much for that then.
bring the batons and burning tyres!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2010, 15:41:56 PM »

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Admitting you're an atheist can upset some religious theists – especially Christians.... So, if you tell people you're an atheist instead of staying in the closet, you're a militant atheist. Religious theists, however, are not militant if they regularly engage people (even strangers) about their religious ideology.

Yeah - that seems fair.  Roll Eyes
And the rest of the article carries on much the same way. I like the author. And some of the comments. Thanks Faerie.
(by the way, are we assuming that the woos think being militant is a bad thing?  Just curious)
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2010, 16:18:01 PM »

Yeah, this sounds about right. Being atheist and saying it out loud within earshot of another human being is considered "militant". In fact, just last week AT Stevo's talk one of the mensans I happened to recognize as a friend-of-a-friend came to me and once again I got the reasoning to the effect of: "If I was an atheist I wouldn't feel I need to tell anyone about it. I dunno why these atheists get so chatty about it, or write books... why don't they just shut up and get on with their lives". 2 seconds later I told him *I* was an atheist (he was working on a completely different assumption) and highlighted him some inconsistencies with that. Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2010, 16:28:16 PM »

why dont xtians just shutup and get on with their lives, and stop writing books about it?
hmmm?
there are, page for page, hundreds, if not thousands, of books more about god and his cronies, than atheism.  hypocrisy, anybody?
and for people who have to have little 'how cool are we' meetings per month, aka mensa, that is allso a bit stuck up their own bottom.  sitting there looking at the rest of world down their noses.  coz they have BRAINS.  whatever dude.
there are books about collecting belly-botton fluff, and breeding horses, and photography.... everybody should just shut the freck up too then?
people write books because they choose to share what they have found, or learnt, with people who are interrested in learning.  if you arent interrested, then dont buy the book.  duh?!
i wonder how many of those clever people have published works, on like, molecular biology, quantum physics.  90% of the world doesnt give a rat's ass about it.  so they should just shut up about it.

i have very little time for stuckups like that.
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2010, 20:34:10 PM »

Erm.... On these definitions some theists count as militant atheists. Some theists (e.g. fans of natural theology) "Reject Faith as a Means for Acquiring Knowledge". Many theists "Deny that Atheism Leads to Immorality". Some (e.g. deists) believe "Religion is a Source of Political & Social Problems".

Dumb article.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2010, 23:16:42 PM »

Micheal, I think the first article is sarcasm.
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »

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for people who have to have little 'how cool are we' meetings per month, aka mensa, that is allso a bit stuck up their own bottom. 

To be fair gcg, the members of this site also meet monthly.  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2010, 09:52:46 AM »

hell boogie, at least we dont sit there and pretend to be oh-so-holier-than-thou.  as much as we would like think we are meeting to discuss skepticism, its just an excuse for a pissup really...  Grin  and i honestly think, that its more a meeting of friends, than a cliquey little were-better-than-you club.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2010, 10:19:57 AM »

In all fairness to the Mensa crowd, its just another like-minded group of people getting together, and whilst they might be presented as these super intelligent people, most of those I know has'nt got an iota of social skills, which is problematic in making friends. So I'd give them a break, they're generally a nice lot although at times a bit difficult to connect with, and none I know consider themselves better than others.

Compare them to the Warhammer crowd GCG, the two groups are more similar than you might realise!
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2010, 10:32:32 AM »

the warhammer dudes i know, are pretty laid back, just uber geeks. 
the mensa dudes, were, just, so unapproachable.  one or two were chirpy and fun, and gave comments while stevo was talking, the other were murmuring amongst themselves, and not all of it positive, or even related to steve's talk.  they had this air of 'what the freck does he know'.  i know its a generalization, but this bunch put me off.  a mate of mine is allso a mensa member, and he's salt of the earth dude.  he doesnt make a person feel like your an idiot. 
maybe they need to meet once a month to get to socialise with anything but a microscope and a flux capacitor.  then dont be so high and mighty about it.
i mean, stevo sat chatting with me and boogie, and they werent even interrested in talking with him about his talk.  allmost like he's not on their radar even.
maybe i was just protective over stevo, and with that mind-set, took them to be stuck-up snobs.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2010, 11:13:06 AM »

... they had this air of 'what the freck does he know'.  i know its a generalization, but this bunch put me off.

i mean, stevo sat chatting with me and boogie, and they werent even interrested in talking with him about his talk.  allmost like he's not on their radar even.
maybe i was just protective over stevo, and with that mind-set, took them to be stuck-up snobs.
Thanks gcg. And yes, I felt it too. And felt as if you guys were friends/family which is why I was drawn to you in the pub afterwards. Their attitude is actually why I stopped going to meetings way back in the 90s.

Here is an incident that happened after you left (hadn't thought much about it 'till now). We were kicked out of the pub coz the staff wanted to go home so I joined a group of mensans standing chatting outside. I added the odd comment to the converstation but they just seemed to ignore me. Then one of them said to me, something like, "You seem quite smart Steve, you should write the test to join Mensa." I replied that I had been a memeber of Mensa for 17 years having passed their friggen test in 1993 (I refrained from adding that I had passed in a way that indicated that I was unusually smart by Mensa standards - didn't want to rub their smug faces in it even though I was sorely tempted). Then they included me in the conversation - and confirmed for me why I had stopped attending all those years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2010, 11:18:07 AM »

I can't say they've ever attracted me either. When I was a kid I saw a thing in a magazine that said: "If you can solve this puzzle you are smart", so I took about 15-20mins and solved the puzzle. I saw a thing at the bottom that was an invitation to join mensa if you "enjoyed" the puzzle. I never did. The whole idea of a society where you're unwelcome if you don't score high enough on an IQ test of debatable merit, puts me off.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 11:22:41 AM »

i liked what you said about intelligence not just being an IQ number.    and they sure as hell didnt like it,  i could just see them stiffen in their chairs.  the outrage!!
i think intelligence is a mix of curiousity, street smarts, book smarts and actual IQ.
while im not educated as them, im sure i could stand my ground to argue life in general.  but of course, they would start throwing in book smarts, where i would fall off the bus.
before the meeting started, a bunch was sitting in the pub, dicussing quarks and physics.  and i thought, do they honestly have nothing else to talk about?  or are they trying to front to their peers?  im smarter than you schpiel.  can they not talk about politics, weather, the new movie in the cinema?  do they not talk this shit enough at work?  or are they deliberately talking about stuff that nobody else would know squat about, because, this is mense, after all....
i think our bunch was the elitist bunch.  the 'if your not a doctor/professor etc, then you are not worth our time'.
quite sad, coz i would have loved to chat with them, but not at the price of sitting there, and hearing them speak to me in gibberish.  or speak down to me either.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 11:35:53 AM »

Bunch of snobs by the sound of it.... and you'll find them on every level.

It just supports my own little opinion:

There are Intelligent people, clever people and wise people.... and it is rare to find all three combined into one.

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