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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 13:01:19 PM »

Checked out their website http://www.mensa.org/, says anyone who scores in the top 2% of the population can join. What's that in IQ, about 110-120?
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 13:17:35 PM »

i read that little piece, and i got a bit moerig, so i just left it there.  didnt think it worth getting my bloodpressure up for.
a bit snootish if you ask me.
i just have a question.  say, for instance, i am quite smart, my IQ is up there, but my maths suck.  can one not be intelligent, but not mathematically inclined?  i suck at maths,  so that test will have me floored.  im by no means saying im mensa material, but i think that telling one's intelligence by your general  IQ is a bit lame.
i might be a friggin genius with spatial awareness, or logic, or language.

anybody who has done this mensa test?  any ideas on how this works?  or am i getting it all wrong here?
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 13:22:37 PM »

What's that in IQ, about 110-120?
133 on the Stanford-Binet scale.

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 13:39:57 PM »

anybody who has done this mensa test?  any ideas on how this works?  or am i getting it all wrong here?
The Mensa admission test actually consists of two separate tests, each of the multiple-choice type.  The first test assesses language/logical/inferential reasoning skill, so you’ll be faced with word puzzles (20 of them, IIRC).  The focus isn’t on complicated maths but you’ll need to do basic arithmetic.  Rather, the test seeks to measure your analytical abilities.  The second test assesses associative/spatial reasoning, so you’ll be faced with pattern-matching puzzles (25 of them, IIRC).  Both tests are done during the same sitting (less than two hours total), and you only have to pass one of the two to gain admission to Mensa.

BTW, my and Stevo’s experiences are remarkably – uncannily – similar.

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2010, 13:49:22 PM »

Im just wondering now, are these similar at all to the aptitude tests you take when you're in school?
if so, surely when those are taken, then seriously clever kids would be identified and pushed into mensa?  or dont they particularly care to swell the ranks?
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2010, 14:33:32 PM »

Im just wondering now, are these similar at all to the aptitude tests you take when you're in school?
I can’t really say for certain, never having taken such an aptitude test, but I’d guess that they probably are quite similar except that the Mensa tests will likely have a narrower focus.  In SA it was legislated that the exact results of IQ tests had to be treated with strictest confidence and may not be given to any unauthorised person, including the testees and their next-of-kin.  Only the referring and administering psychologists are allowed to know, but they were permitted to say what sort of band you fell in, i.e. sub-normal, normal, etc.  I’m not sure if these rules still apply.  It may be that they do, but it is more likely that schools and other institutions are bound by confidentiality constraints that prevent them from urging kids into joining Mensa or even ISPE.

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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2010, 14:36:57 PM »

cool. thanx for the info Mefi.
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2010, 14:44:12 PM »

i liked what you said about intelligence not just being an IQ number.   and they sure as hell didn't like it,  i could just see them stiffen in their chairs. the outrage!!

You picked up on that one gcg - it was my personal little "grudge-remark" on the whole idea of Mensa. I once read an awesome book by Stephen J Gould called The Mis-measure Of Man. He goes into the history of IQ tests and how and why they started in France in the early 1900s. They were never designed to give you a "score" that was a sort of badge to wear for the rest of your life. Their purpose was to identify areas of learning in children starting school where they would either need more or less input from the school system.

Apparently I score somewhere over 170 which places me in a very high bracket according to the tests, and yet I feel really doff sometimes. I don't think of myself as "smart", and see one's ability to think logically as a skill that can be developed (if you are so inclined) and not as a fixed "you've-got-it-and-I-haven't" type of gauge of our fellow humans.
gcg (formerly GCG) you are one of the smartest, brightest, wittiest people I have the privilege of knowing, and as far as I'm concerned Mensa can shove it where the sun don't shine.
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2010, 14:49:45 PM »

Im just wondering now, are these similar at all to the aptitude tests you take when you're in school?
if so, surely when those are taken, then seriously clever kids would be identified and pushed into mensa?  or dont they particularly care to swell the ranks?

As far as I know, they dont take them at school anymore (well, neither my kids did), I did take both the lads to Wits to have them tested (more for aptitude purposes than any other reason). Apparantly the practice was abolished in the early '90's because of the educational backlog of the black students at that point (which would have made an interesting study really, I'm sure it would have been an interesting watch over a period of 10 years or so whether there was growth/decline across black/white/indian and where the line would lay now)

As far as I can recall we did these government supported IQ tests in then Std 4... wonder why actually, the apartheid government was full of conspiracy theories and some of the things they did remain a mystery.

Gods, I'm reminded of my age almost daily lately....
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2010, 14:52:36 PM »

gcg (formerly GCG) you are one of the smartest, brightest, wittiest people I have the privilege of knowing, and as far as I'm concerned Mensa can shove it where the sun don't shine.
to quote my almost-mother-in-law:

AMEN to that.

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010, 15:13:09 PM »

gcg (formerly GCG) you are one of the smartest, brightest, wittiest people I have the privilege of knowing, and as far as I'm concerned Mensa can shove it where the sun don't shine.

jislaaik stevo, you makin me blush.  you obviously dont know all that many people then...
i really dont think im dof, and i really think if i had been given the opportunity to study physics or any other la-ti-da science, i could have winged it.  i just get bored easily.  i now have the power of the interwebs, and now i can make myself knowledgeable as far as i want, then move on when i get bored. 
i love it though, to spend time in the company with people such as these on our forum, coz they know stuff, and they dont try and give god the credit for all and sundry.
and i think, even if i had the brains to be a mensa member, i would be bored out of my bracket with these snooty types.  im a rebel, and any cause will do   Evil
i am quite flattered that you think im interresting, coz i havent got the healthiest of self-images, so a clever and established guy like yourself, and a published author too boot, that thinks im cool, well, that just ups my street cred plenty.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2010, 17:18:15 PM »

i am quite flattered that you think im interresting, coz i havent got the healthiest of self-images, so a clever and established guy like yourself, and a published author too boot, that thinks im cool, well, that just ups my street cred plenty.
Aaah - feeeel the leeerve. I struggle to relate to most people (and feel, sometimes, like a bit of a social outcast or misfit) and also get bored quickly. But the folk here on SkepZA? What a cool bunch of weird, wackey, wonderful, wise wingbats - the kinda folk you and I relate to without even blinking.
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2010, 17:49:39 PM »

True, I find it amazing how we can sit down together without ever having met, and just converse freely. Love it.
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2010, 17:56:02 PM »

True, I find it amazing how we can sit down together without ever having met, and just converse freely. Love it.
Pre-zackly! And if Mandarb had been able to stay on Thursday it would have been the same. When I saw you guys it felt as if we had always known each other - same with gcg.
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2010, 18:05:58 PM »

we are like, so connected, bru   Roll Eyes
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