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« on: December 01, 2009, 15:39:53 PM »

What are the benefits of being a skeptic?
Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?

Also - Why are the users on this forum protecting their identity with anonymity?
Scared of retribution from religious nuts?

Just curious

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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 15:45:22 PM »

What are the benefits of being a skeptic?

I think this is a very important question. If we could answer it succinctly and convincingly, it may aid us considerably in our outreach attempts.

That being said, I don't have a quick, easy answer to it. I'll need to give it some thought.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 15:59:41 PM »

What are the benefits of being a skeptic?

There are many. It would take me time to frame correctly so I googled. here and here
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Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?

I am quite happy, comfortable and not scared of death at all. I'll admit to being scared of the transition as I am allergic to pain. But spending the next couple of billion years in the state I spend before I was born? Doesn't scare me at all.
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Also - Why are the users on this forum protecting their identity with anonymity?

That is just the done thing on InterWeb forums.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 16:10:16 PM »

Before you troll any further. I would like to have a succinct description of your beliefs.

No lies, no hypothetical positions designed to elicit response. Just your beliefs stated plain and simple.

I'd like to tell a genuine question from a "position" designed to encourage debate.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 16:11:41 PM »

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Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?

Speaking for myself, I would say I far happier than the average religious person in that I don't suffer any guilt about not pleasing a skyfairy enough to be allowed into his magic sky kingdom. I don't concern myself with the ridiculous laws that most religious books/teachings subscribe to.

With regard to death, it's something that all living things have to face at some time or another. I don't find the concept of an afterlife comforting, nor do I find comfort in having to grovel my entire life for the pleasure of the above mentioned sky fairy to gain access to that afterlife.

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Also - Why are the users on this forum protecting their identity with anonymity?
Scared of retribution from religious nuts?

There are far too many nuts out there and not all of them are religious. I prefer to keep some degree of anonymity, thanks. Wink

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2009, 16:14:06 PM »

What are the benefits of being a skeptic?

You're less likely to be screwed over by the unscrupulous.

Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?

Doubt religious people are any happier, there are so many harmlessly fun things they're not supposed to do and feeling guilty sucks. Also, the idea of hell is pretty scary.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2009, 20:32:52 PM »

Just by the way, are we to assume Midd93 is the name it was born with and that it'll provide a street address to anyone who ask for it?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2009, 00:50:18 AM »

Main benefit of skepticism: You get to see reality as it is instead of making it up.

Main benefit of anonymity: You circumvent the reality of crazies who think a gun is a rational argument.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2009, 08:32:21 AM »

What are the benefits of being a skeptic?

Being able to see and accept reality and use your common sense is far more beneficial than you would imagine Wink
Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?
Believing in Santa when I was young also made me happy, accepting he doesn't exist when I grew up, doesn't make
me an unhappy person, just a realist! Religious folk less scared of death?  Wouldn't you think people who believe in a gawd
even though there's no proof, or believing in all ridiculous claims in a script even though it doesn't make sense,
just to have an afterlife are scared of death? Or is it reality they are scared of?

Also - Why are the users on this forum protecting their identity with anonymity?

Would you kindly supply us with links to xtian sites where users use their own names and not nick names?
Just curious Wink

Scared of retribution from religious nuts?
Just curious
It seems like you can not in your wildest dreams imagine, that religious people can be retributive?

I then have to dare you, to tell member at your church that you do not believe gawd exist because there's no proof
and that you are now an Atheist (even a Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Jainist ...), see how easy it is for them to forget you existed Wink
All the hate just because:  You go against THEIR believes Wink
Now THAT's what I call true Love for fellow human beings Roll Eyes


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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 08:37:51 AM »

Just by the way, are we to assume Midd93 is the name it was born with and that it'll provide a street address to anyone who ask for it?

 Grin yeah Cyghost, IT might also be from Middelburg Wink but since IT evidently trust strangers more than us, I believe he would supply
us with a physical address, but then again, not everything I believe necessarily came true Wink
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 09:15:21 AM »

"Just by the way, are we to assume Midd93 is the name it was born with and that it'll provide a street address to anyone who ask for it?"

No, it is not the name given to me by my parents, but it is the name I use for nearly all of my interactions on the internetwebs. I would not divulge my address, at least until after 3 dates.

I wasn't saying that anonymity is bad, I was just curious.

"Now THAT's what I call true Love for fellow human being"
Yes, correct. It is better for the flesh to perish and the soul to be saved.

"I then have to dare you, to tell member at your church that you do not believe gawd exist because there's no proof" I couldn't do that.

"You're less likely to be screwed over by the unscrupulous."
You mean like with medical stuff and psychics?

"Before you troll any further. I would like to have a succinct description of your beliefs.
No lies, no hypothetical positions designed to elicit response. Just your beliefs stated plain and simple.
I'd like to tell a genuine question from a "position" designed to encourage debate."
I believe in the truth, because everything else is wrong.

"Main benefit of anonymity: You circumvent the reality of crazies who think a gun is a rational argument."
Quite right, like how cyghost wants to taser me in the face.
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2009, 09:29:54 AM »

Before you troll any further. I would like to have a succinct description of your beliefs.

No lies, no hypothetical positions designed to elicit response. Just your beliefs stated plain and simple.

I'd like to tell a genuine question from a "position" designed to encourage debate.


I'm curious why you ask this. Does it matter what he believes in (or doesn't believe in)? Can we not try to answer his questions without knowing? Why do you assume that he's trolling?

Just by the way, are we to assume Midd93 is the name it was born with and that it'll provide a street address to anyone who ask for it?

Would you kindly supply us with links to xtian sites where users use their own names and not nick names?
Just curious Wink
Scared of retribution from religious nuts?
Just curious
It seems like you can not in your wildest dreams imagine, that religious people can be retributive?

Midd93 didn't claim that religious people weren't retributive, he simply asked if that was the reason people here seem to like anonymity.

As for sites where people use their own names, take a look to the left of this post. I've put my name in my profile (as well as links to my various social networking profiles). There's nothing about the forum system preventing anyone else here from doing the same. Anonymity is a choice we each make, and not all of us make it. It seems that Midd was only asking why some people here make that choice.

So far mdg is the only person who has answered that question at all... the rest of the responses have been pretty silly. We sceptics wouldn't let a believer get away with an Argument from Popular Opinion ("Everyone else does it, so why shouldn't we?") or an Et Tu Quoque ("You do it too, so why shouldn't I?"). Why should we be allowed to get away with that?

If you don't have an answer for the question, then don't answer it. But mocking Midd for asking it only demonstrates flaws in your own reasoning. There was no judgement or implied agenda in the question. If you saw something like that there, I suggest you re-evaluate your own perceptions and prejudices.
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2009, 10:06:20 AM »

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Can we not try to answer his questions without knowing? Why do you assume that he's trolling?

In one thread he said:
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No, I do not believe that God originated out of nothing. It would be better to ask someone with theistic beliefs.

And then goes on to fight the opposite viewpoint, ie: "God saved people because they prayed". I'd just like to know which arguments are "real", and which are "less serious".

I know a lot of you don't mind, but I wouldn't like to entertain his conversation if he's just stirring up the same old arguments for his personal entertainment.

Once again in this thread, he's purposefully evading the question of what he believes. Why? Couldn't we answer to his concerns in a much clearer manner if we fully understood the context of his questions?
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2009, 11:37:36 AM »

Quite right, like how cyghost wants to taser me in the face.
What.the.freck??  
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So far mdg is the only person who has answered that question at all...
I beg to differ.
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the rest of the responses have been pretty silly.
You may hold this opinion. I think you are wrong. I answered him as straightforwardly and without silliness as I could. I won't comment on others' responses but I admit I don't agree with your opinion here.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2009, 11:42:14 AM »

What.the.freck??  

Does mean that you don't want to taser me in the face?

/relief

Oh I must apologize for "What are the benefits of being a skeptic?
Religious folk seem to benefit from their beliefs by being happy, comforted and perhaps less scared of death?"
I seem to have assumed that skeptics = atheists, which is not necessarily true, right?

Any of you guys man enough to own up to religious beliefs?

cmon, do it
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