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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2010, 15:24:35 PM »

atheist is just easier to pronounce when your pissed or stoned
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2010, 15:28:04 PM »

Yeath tha tho
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2010, 11:15:31 AM »

So, any thoughts on definitions of beliefs?
There is confusion that arises from the fact that some people are unable to distinguish the difference between:
1. I don't believe in God, and
2. I believe there is no God.
My atheism is of the first sort. Saying that that kind of atheism is a religion is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.  The second kind of atheism could indeed be regarded as a religion, and shares logical indefensibility with other religions.
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2010, 12:11:17 PM »

There is confusion that arises from the fact that some people are unable to distinguish the difference between:
1. I don't believe in God, and
2. I believe there is no God.
My atheism is of the first sort. Saying that that kind of atheism is a religion is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby.  The second kind of atheism could indeed be regarded as a religion, and shares logical indefensibility with other religions.

I think this depends on what sort of God we are talking about. If we are discussing a God that intervenes in the world and in the affairs of men, which is generally the case, then we are justified in saying "There is no God", ie. atheism. This is not religion, but statement of fact, since we have no evidence of this God.

If we are refering to some sort of Deist God that kicked things off billions of years ago but hasn't been seen since, then we need to adopt the weaker position of agnosticism.

A useful comparison might be aliens. We can't say with certainty that they don't exist, but we can say that they haven't visited Earth.
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2010, 12:32:49 PM »

To believe something means to put trust in the truth of a statement (Oxford), which can be used in a religious context, but is not unique thereto.   Atheism is most commonly associated with the word disbelief, which involves a conscious rejection of theism, though some people regard a passive lack of belief in a god as atheism.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2010, 16:26:07 PM »

I'm busy with Godless (Dan Barker) at the moment and found this passage which relates nicely to this thread:
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Agnosticism addresses knowledge; atheism addresses belief. The agnostic says, "I don't have knowledge that God exists." The atheist says, "I don't have a belief that God exists." You can say both things at the same time. Some agnostics are atheistic and some are theistic. (p96)

Nice post about all the definitions GCG - LOL thanks.
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