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Do you ever feel like this is all for naught?

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2010, 12:49:38 PM »

I must say I can't relate with all this depression. An encounter with a woo/religious nut is exactly what lifts my spirits. I start with the classic line from non-prophets: "what do you believe and why should I believe it". Then watch them reason themselves into pretzels.

Hours of fun and much more entertaining than talking about a TV series or sports or relationships Wink Although talking about a TV series like Fringe or Haven is a great way to expose their beliefs.  Evil

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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2010, 13:05:33 PM »

I must say I can't relate with all this depression. An encounter with a woo/religious nut is exactly what lifts my spirits. I start with the classic line from non-prophets: "what do you believe and why should I believe it". Then watch them reason themselves into pretzels.

It used to be fun, now its just tiring and depressing. Its the repetitiveness of it all, it just goes on and on and on and on...

Especially when it comes to friends and family who wants to "convince" you otherwise.
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2010, 14:44:31 PM »


It used to be fun, now its just tiring and depressing. Its the repetitiveness of it all, it just goes on and on and on and on...

Especially when it comes to friends and family who wants to "convince" you otherwise.

Doesn't bother me, I just sing my nursery school song "and the wheels of the bus go round and round and ...", then while listening to the podcasts like skeptic guide, non-prophets, nature, scientific american etc. I reload with all the latest knowledge and argumentation tricks. I always look forward to the next family dinner to fire off my salvo. Much more fun than talking about the cricket score.





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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 07:34:26 AM »

Much more fun than talking about the cricket score.
Agreed, if (and this is a big 'if') one is able to talk about it, really talk. I think the main frustration comes in when a discussion about religious issues (or creation, or the origin of species, or our 'purpose' in life or whatever) becomes like talking to a brick wall. In fact, I have had such discussions with the extreme woo nuts that I caught myself thinking "this discussion would have been more interesting if I was talking to a brick wall..."
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 07:50:42 AM »

Much more fun than talking about the cricket score.
Agreed, if (and this is a big 'if') one is able to talk about it, really talk. I think the main frustration comes in when a discussion about religious issues (or creation, or the origin of species, or our 'purpose' in life or whatever) becomes like talking to a brick wall. In fact, I have had such discussions with the extreme woo nuts that I caught myself thinking "this discussion would have been more interesting if I was talking to a brick wall..."

Exactly, I have a xtian colleague with whom I spend every lunch time discussing faith/religion/evolution/woo with. But its a lively debate, and neither gets worked up or frustrated with the other's opinions, its now gotten to the point where she started reading up on my ideas and thoughts in an attempt to understand better. This is fun, as well as informative and constructive. We both listen to the other.
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2010, 18:26:47 PM »

Is this a general skeptic thing? Do we relentlessly beat at a heavy pane of glass with bloodied fists while the world stands, backs turned to us, oblivious? The entire exercise futile?
Brilliantly written Boogs, and exactly how I feel today. I get sooooooooooo f*cking frustrated sometimes - but then I come to this site and feel a little less insane again. SIGH.

I  sure that 'they' probably feel exactly the same about sceptics... as if they are wasting their time having to repeat the concept of God and religion again and again and again.
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2010, 12:09:50 PM »

she started reading up on my ideas and thoughts in an attempt to understand better.
Well done, Faerie. If your colleague is at the point where they are going rationally look at the arguments, there is a good chance that they will possibly change their mind about some of the stuff they have been brainwashed into believing. Keep us posted....
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2011, 16:48:29 PM »

Is this a general skeptic thing? Do we relentlessly beat at a heavy pane of glass with bloodied fists while the world stands, backs turned to us, oblivious? The entire exercise futile?
Best description I've ever read on how I feel every day of my miserable life ... being surrounded by fucking braindead zombies masquarading as friends, family, colleagues!  Angry

Do you mind if I use it myself sometime?
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 17:03:33 PM »

Go nuts.
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2011, 07:36:52 AM »

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yes, today I do.  Sad
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2011, 08:17:24 AM »

I was given a great contract this year to teach trombone to a young Grade 7 boy at a music academy in Southdowns, Pretoria. The boy's mother decided to Google me and, of course, found my book all over the internet. She then phoned the principle of the school and berated him for "not doing background checks" before employing people, and "did he know I was an atheist and had published a book on atheism?". She went on to say that they are Christians and refuse to be taught by an unbeliever - and cancelled their contract.

The irony of all this is that I am one of the few trombone didactic specialists in South Africa (I have a performer's degree on trombone and specialized in the didactics of trombone teaching), and certainly the only one in Pretoria. The month of lessons I gave him showed a young man who could become a great trombone player, but he would need a person like me to teach him (trombone has unique techniques that cannot be taught unless by a specialist). Once again, religion is at the root of this nonsense and it makes me extremely angry. I just needed to vent ...
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2011, 08:37:33 AM »

StevoMuso, that is just terrible. But I'm curious, on what grounds were they able to simply "cancel" the contract?

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2011, 13:15:55 PM »

Yes, frequently.  Drugs help.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2011, 19:37:25 PM »

StevoMuso, that is just terrible.
I concur, except I think more appropriately - that's bullshit? It's quite sad that that mom's ignorance is going to rob her son of a brilliant opportunity.
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2011, 07:23:49 AM »

StevoMuso, that is just terrible. But I'm curious, on what grounds were they able to simply "cancel" the contract?
The email I received from the Mom to cancel the contract didn't mention religion (which wouldn't be proper grounds). She said they were terminating the contract "because I told her son practice does not make perfect" and they needed someone to "mentor" their son. (Totally different from the conversation she'd had with the principle.) What I had said to her son, in his first lesson (the same I tell every student) is that "Practice makes permanent. Only perfect practice makes perfect." I explain that simply practicing the instrument does not guarantee perfection - one has to practice correctly in order to learn correct techniques.

For her to use that as an excuse for terminating my contract is simply ludicrous. Had she mentioned the real reason in her email, I may have had some legal grounds to fight the case. But you know what? If they are THAT stupid, I'd rather let them go quietly ... I just feel really sorry for her little boy (as Wandapec says: his mom's ignorance!).
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