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Do you ever feel like this is all for naught?

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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2011, 19:53:18 PM »

Douglas Adams addressed this notion in Restaurant. It work out OK for all involved iirc.

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« Reply #61 on: June 20, 2011, 20:18:39 PM »

It’s been quite a while since I read that five-volume trilogy, so I don’t recall that.  Could you (or someone else) perhaps refresh my ailing memory with Adams’s ideas painted in broad strokes?

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« Reply #62 on: June 20, 2011, 23:07:32 PM »

In Restaurant, a GE cow moseys up to your table and starts offering bits of himself as your meal. He's been engineered to WANT to be eaten and provide pleasure to guests. He's also been given the gift of speech so that he can express his desire to be your meal, so that you won't feel so bad about it.
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« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2011, 09:03:42 AM »

that's just creepy
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« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2011, 15:08:43 PM »

And he force-feeds himself so that his rich and tender liver may please the patrons of Milliways.

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« Reply #65 on: July 23, 2011, 20:27:00 PM »

I have days, today is one of them, where I feel there is absolutely no hope for the world. At all.

This follows years and years of trying to get people to THINK, close people whom I've known all this time....

And still they send me the most credulous shit through email, still cling to their beliefs, and don't seem to have even a single ounce of "care" with regards to the truth. Quite frankly, they just couldn't give a shit if anything they "know" is true. And, in fact, it seems that discovering the truth is somehow a mental activity they avoid at all costs, even if it means actively plugging their ears and screaming loudly. My conclusion is now: "The world actually doesn't want to know, and doesn't care".

I'm not talking about (just) religion, I'm talking about everything, from the latest news story to the claims of advertisements to urban myths they perpetuate with glee. I... I want to give up sometimes.

Am I the only person who feels like (to borrow from B. Hicks) "Randy-pan the Goatboy" when surrounded by normal, everyday people? They actually manage to make me think sometimes that I'm somehow a broken person for caring about anything. That wanting to "read up" on batshit insane claims in order to discover the truth is actually a FLAW, not a redeeming quality. That listening to something credulous and intuitively thinking "hmm that sounds wrong" is some kind of super-power that the rest of the world does not posses. Most of the time I don't believe that the world is hopeless, But when I get the cold treatment from people around me for being "just too weird" (translated as: "He thinks"), I feel awfully alone in the world and absolutely helpless to change it for the better.

Is this a general skeptic thing? Do we relentlessly beat at a heavy pane of glass with bloodied fists while the world stands, backs turned to us, oblivious? The entire exercise futile?

Today. I feel so.
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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2011, 21:06:10 PM »

I have days, today is one of them, where I feel there is absolutely no hope for the world. At all.

This follows years and years of trying to get people to THINK, close people whom I've known all this time....

And still they send me the most credulous shit through email, still cling to their beliefs, and don't seem to have even a single ounce of "care" with regards to the truth. Quite frankly, they just couldn't give a shit if anything they "know" is true. And, in fact, it seems that discovering the truth is somehow a mental activity they avoid at all costs, even if it means actively plugging their ears and screaming loudly. My conclusion is now: "The world actually doesn't want to know, and doesn't care".

I'm not talking about (just) religion, I'm talking about everything, from the latest news story to the claims of advertisements to urban myths they perpetuate with glee. I... I want to give up sometimes.

Am I the only person who feels like (to borrow from B. Hicks) "Randy-pan the Goatboy" when surrounded by normal, everyday people? They actually manage to make me think sometimes that I'm somehow a broken person for caring about anything. That wanting to "read up" on batshit insane claims in order to discover the truth is actually a FLAW, not a redeeming quality. That listening to something credulous and intuitively thinking "hmm that sounds wrong" is some kind of super-power that the rest of the world does not posses. Most of the time I don't believe that the world is hopeless, But when I get the cold treatment from people around me for being "just too weird" (translated as: "He thinks"), I feel awfully alone in the world and absolutely helpless to change it for the better.

Is this a general skeptic thing? Do we relentlessly beat at a heavy pane of glass with bloodied fists while the world stands, backs turned to us, oblivious? The entire exercise futile?

Today. I feel so.
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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2011, 09:21:41 AM »

I have days, today is one of them, where I feel there is absolutely no hope for the world. At all.

This follows years and years of trying to get people to THINK, close people whom I've known all this time....

And still they send me the most credulous shit through email, still cling to their beliefs, and don't seem to have even a single ounce of "care" with regards to the truth. Quite frankly, they just couldn't give a shit if anything they "know" is true. And, in fact, it seems that discovering the truth is somehow a mental activity they avoid at all costs, even if it means actively plugging their ears and screaming loudly. My conclusion is now: "The world actually doesn't want to know, and doesn't care".

I'm not talking about (just) religion, I'm talking about everything, from the latest news story to the claims of advertisements to urban myths they perpetuate with glee. I... I want to give up sometimes.

Am I the only person who feels like (to borrow from B. Hicks) "Randy-pan the Goatboy" when surrounded by normal, everyday people? They actually manage to make me think sometimes that I'm somehow a broken person for caring about anything. That wanting to "read up" on batshit insane claims in order to discover the truth is actually a FLAW, not a redeeming quality. That listening to something credulous and intuitively thinking "hmm that sounds wrong" is some kind of super-power that the rest of the world does not posses. Most of the time I don't believe that the world is hopeless, But when I get the cold treatment from people around me for being "just too weird" (translated as: "He thinks"), I feel awfully alone in the world and absolutely helpless to change it for the better.

Is this a general skeptic thing? Do we relentlessly beat at a heavy pane of glass with bloodied fists while the world stands, backs turned to us, oblivious? The entire exercise futile?

Today. I feel so.

A couple of more levels and we've got inception!
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« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2011, 12:32:12 PM »

Yesterday I got up at 2am and started driving at 2:30. All the way to Keetmanshoop Namibia. Got the border post at Ariamsvlei only to be told that I need a "Letter". Being Sunday I could not get one and this morning would have been to late so after an argument I drove back. All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry
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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2011, 12:41:53 PM »

Yesterday I got up at 2am and started driving at 2:30. All the way to Keetmanshoop Namibia. Got the border post at Ariamsvlei only to be told that I need a "Letter". Being Sunday I could not get one and this morning would have been to late so after an argument I drove back. All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry
They need the "letter" that has a picture of a buffalo on it.  Did you try that?
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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2011, 13:56:16 PM »

Yesterday I got up at 2am and started driving at 2:30. All the way to Keetmanshoop Namibia. Got the border post at Ariamsvlei only to be told that I need a "Letter". Being Sunday I could not get one and this morning would have been to late so after an argument I drove back. All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry
a letter for what Tweefo? I regularly drive over the border of Namibia??? Huh?
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« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2011, 13:58:27 PM »

All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry

They'd be getting a letter all-right!
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« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2011, 14:33:25 PM »

All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry

They'd be getting a letter all-right!

mostly four letters i'm sure
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« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2011, 17:49:09 PM »

Yesterday I got up at 2am and started driving at 2:30. All the way to Keetmanshoop Namibia. Got the border post at Ariamsvlei only to be told that I need a "Letter". Being Sunday I could not get one and this morning would have been to late so after an argument I drove back. All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry
a letter for what Tweefo? I regularly drive over the border of Namibia??? Huh?
A letter from the school where I was going to do a planetarium show

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« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2011, 08:19:14 AM »

Yesterday I got up at 2am and started driving at 2:30. All the way to Keetmanshoop Namibia. Got the border post at Ariamsvlei only to be told that I need a "Letter". Being Sunday I could not get one and this morning would have been to late so after an argument I drove back. All in all 2018 km in 23.30 hours. All for nothing. Angry
a letter for what Tweefo? I regularly drive over the border of Namibia??? Huh?
A letter from the school where I was going to do a planetarium show
 Aha therein lies the conundrum...those okes on the border thought you were a terrorist...they don't know the difference between planetarium and an aquarium. You should've said your a tourist; that they understand.

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