Gun control

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Tweefo (October 01, 2017, 04:27:11 AM):
Google "Gun control pros and cons" and of course you get an Americanized debate, but I think it's also valid points for SA. But surely, even the con side would agree that a Gr2 child bringing a loaded gun to school, is not a good thing. http://news.iafrica.com/sa/1055530.html It is my opinion that the owner of said gun should lose the right to have guns.
brianvds (October 01, 2017, 17:39:24 PM):
I think the Americans probably panic too much about absolutely everything: the anti-gun people worry all the time they're going to get shot; the pro-gun ones that evil government agents will come take away their guns. Talk about first world problems! Had I been an American I wouldn't have been all that worried - the numbers simply don't justify having sleepless nights over the issue.

Here in South Africa it may well be a different matter. I don't know how successful our gun control efforts here have been. The theory behind it is that the source of virtually all illegal guns is legal ones that get stolen or robbed from the owners. Thus, if there are very few legal owners, the source of the illegal ones dries up.

Now we have had quite strict gun control here for many years now, so it should be possible by now to see some difference. Does anyone here have some hard facts about this?
SKEPRat (October 06, 2017, 19:35:58 PM):
Very little crime is committed with legal firearms in SA. The government wanted to change the gun laws but the con court halted that. Meanwhile many old and unwanted firearms were handed in. 2000 of these were resold by the police to Cape Flats gangsters. Colonel Prinsloo is in jail for that and other cases are still in progress. That gun taken to school by the 7 year old kid was unlicenced with the serial number filed off. The father is on the run.
brianvds (October 07, 2017, 02:15:19 AM):
Very little crime is committed with legal firearms in SA. The government wanted to change the gun laws but the con court halted that. Meanwhile many old and unwanted firearms were handed in. 2000 of these were resold by the police to Cape Flats gangsters. Colonel Prinsloo is in jail for that and other cases are still in progress. That gun taken to school by the 7 year old kid was unlicenced with the serial number filed off. The father is on the run.

And this is another factor not taken into account. It's all very well to try to remove all handguns from Swedish or German society. In a country with high levels of police corruption, and hopeless administration, you simply cannot have people hand in thousands of firearms to the police.

Something I did learn the other day: in both America and south Africa, it is legal to own a muzzle loader without a license. Maybe that's the way to go for people who want a firearm. :-)
Brian (October 10, 2017, 08:28:23 AM):
Paintguns also work well: not too accurate though but balls loaded with Pepperspray are great deterrents: no licence required.

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