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benguela (December 04, 2008, 08:14:12 AM):
It also bug me. I went to a physio in the Boskruin area and went through the dry needling thing - I won't do it again.

Did you question the physio? Some physio's I questioned think dry-needling is the "scientific" "western" version of acupuncture, they don't believe in acupuncture. Yours sounds like is a deep believer in all the alternatives and wouldn't care if it's scientific or not.

My goal is to bring the "scientific" physios back to the one true path, they have strayed into the dark side.
benguela (January 15, 2009, 12:24:46 PM):
hehe, skeptics are currently winning this tussle,

Dry Needling

all the woo woo was edited out with a decleration that dry needling = acupuncture. I'm sure the other side will bounce back though.

bluegray (January 15, 2009, 13:05:38 PM):
That wikipedia article still reads like some woo person wrote it... ;D
scienceteacheragain (January 15, 2009, 13:32:32 PM):
I agree bluegray.
I have been noticing lately the apparent increase in these type of offices.
"Median Therapy" is one which seems to be taking off. I had to Google that to even find out what it is, and it is most certainly leaning further into the woo woo than acupuncture.
Another thing that I see (and could just be my perception) is that here in SA, otherwise highly intelligent people seem to buy into this type of thing. When I point out that there is no good evidence that it is effective, I have found that many just say that "it works", as if it is obvious and above doubt.
MrDickens (February 02, 2009, 13:27:26 PM):
Hi everyone! Just joined. Funnily enough, I just went to the physio this afternoon (hence found this thread when googling what the hell she had just done to me). She realigned my neck then asked if I was scared of needles. I'm not and generally when I go to docs etc, I just let them get on with their business, cos I'm just keen to be rid of the pain or illness or whatever. If getting rid of my shoulder muscle pain meant getting poked with a needle, then I was all for it. When asked if it was a Voltaren injection or something, she said no, it's called dry needling.

She explained that the needle was inserted into the muscle knot and caused it to twitch, thus releasing the tension and getting it back to normal functioning/state. I did indeed feel the twitch/es. And it does feel better. She said the needling was a lot better than actually massaging which is more painful. One muscle spasm was deep, so she said she'd have to work it out with her hands rather than the needle, and it was damn painful.

So... I'm skeptical of all things acupuncture, but this seems to have worked. Instead of just plopping a needle in along a median or whatever they do, she stuck it straight into the knot/spasm and also worked the needle a bit - whereas, acupunture practitioners don't work the needle and only place them into median lines or whatever woo crap they call it. (IMH - and ignorant - O)

So... um, skeptical as I am, I must say the needling seems to have worked... of course, combined with massage and realigning my neck (that horrible clickcluckclack sound).

So what exactly did the dry needling do and why did it make my muscles twitch (besides the fact that if I was a muscle I would also twitch if poked with a metal needle)? Why is it considered woo? Is that cos of it's similarity to acupuncture.

The physio was very practical and certainly didn't seem new agey.


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