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« on: October 19, 2007, 08:11:55 AM »

I came across this http://www.objectiveministries.org/creation/projectpterosaur.html this morning on the JREF website.

A friend of mine climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro a couple of months ago and didn't mention anything about seeing pterosaurs.......... Huh?

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 20:11:08 PM »

I like it.  A good parody on christian thinking and creation science.  Actually, some of the links of evidence are to real christian sites and creation institutions, so maybe the parody isn't far off the mark.

And the funding is at 75% ? Love it, just makes people want to push that little bit harder, dig a little deeper, to get to 100%.  Probably is like those fundraising drives where a percentage is always given but never a target value.  That target gets decided towards the "end".  Kind of like a logarithmic scale; easy to get to a high value early but almost impossible to get to 100% (perceptably) with a sustained level of income.

A friend of mine climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro a couple of months ago and didn't mention anything about seeing pterosaurs.......... Huh?

Ah, but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence - as biblical historians would point out, otherwise we'd have to give-up on a lot of "truths" like Moses and Noah, it would be preposterous to claim that these people didn't exist simply because there is no evidence ...
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 20:40:23 PM »

This is really funny. Came across it myself via other channels yesterday. Had to go to wikipedia before I was really sure about how serious they were. Sent the link to some creationist friends of mine that might actually take it serious. Would be interesting to see how they respond.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 12:59:02 PM »

I sometimes have a hard time discerning sincere creation sites from parodies.  But I have found another laughable one discussing pterosaur safaris to Papua New Guinea at Creation in the Crossfire (perhaps they mean "crosshairs"? - doesn't matter).

Not too sure how genuine the site is (the postal address is a real place in California and from Google Earth it looks like a residential area), but they do discuss a real pterosaur (or ropen in this case) expedition in the articles section: Pterosaurs; including a few irregularly updated "field reports" in the Pterosaur Adventures.

Parody, I thought, until I found the actual book of the expedition on Amazon (Searching for Ropens: Living Pterosaurs in Papua New Guinea (Paperback)) and on a site specifically for the book here http://www.ropens.com/sfr/.

There are a also a few references to the expedition of Garth Guessman of Southbay Creation Science Association (a.k.a. Creation in the Crosshairs - I mean ~fire) and David Woetzel.  Guessman (oh how apt a name Grin) is also heavily involved at the Creation Research Society which has described itself as  "a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation. The CRS is independent and unaffiliated with any other organization, religious group or church body" but in their page header it reads "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them..."

If this is a parody, it reaches across many sites and is referenced elsewhere on creation directories.  And a published book?  The illusion is to complete to be faked.

How strange woo can be.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 09:35:14 AM »

At least some people take this issue somewhat seriously... http://paleo.cc/paluxy/livptero.htm
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 10:07:33 AM »

The trouble is that creationists are quite happy to torture logic, reason and evidence beyond all recognition, on top of being habitually inconsistent.  Much of their argumentation thereby acquires an air of satirical send-up while actually being meant entirely seriously.  Thus, it is often difficult, sometimes impossible, to distinguish real creationists from their lampooning detractors.

Concerning the link to "Objective Ministries" in the opening post, the website's "Members Page" is a dead giveaway that the whole thing's a spoof.

By contrast, if the reader ever has the chance, s/he ought to take a look at Ray Comfort's creationist spiel called "The Way of the Master."  For anyone with even half a gramme of critical substance in their body, it's pure comedy, though with a bitter aftertaste when one realises their sincerity.

Favourite moment?  Ray explaining how the banana could only have been designed and manufactured by god with the banana's specific curve because, apparently, it fits so perfectly into a person's hand.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 22:17:16 PM »

A year on and I choose to revive this thread ...

The trouble is that creationists are quite happy to torture logic, reason and evidence beyond all recognition, on top of being habitually inconsistent.  Much of their argumentation thereby acquires an air of satirical send-up while actually being meant entirely seriously.  Thus, it is often difficult, sometimes impossible, to distinguish real creationists from their lampooning detractors.


This statement of yours came to mind when I visited Disbelief.Net today.  The website, as the name suggests, aims to ask probing questions of the major religions to increase disbelief - "You won't believe what people believe".  What is the most bizarre thing about this website is that it shows advertisements for real christian organisations (such as TBN's Holyland Experience in Florida) alongside the parodical counterparts (like Objective Ministries).  It is almost impossible to tell the difference.  Have a guess at which are parodies from the names below:

  • Christ Yoga - Yoga filled body, Christ filled soul.
  • XXX Church - #1 Christian porn site - Save the kittens, confess your porn addiction.
  • North Baptist Phoenix Family Center Ice Rink - Celebrate your child's birthday at John and Cindy McCain's church.
  • Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry - Get higher with a higher power.


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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 22:48:50 PM »

Without cheating...
only the third one seems real, although the first is plausible.
But, yeah, they all sound more like parody than the real thing.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2008, 00:00:03 AM »

I have spent quite a bit of time checking and only the last one is dubious - there are many Amsterdam Cannabis Ministy websites and none of them appear convincing at all.

But it is a shocker; Jesus yoga, porn rehabilitation (for the sake of the kittens) and the ice rink (part of a large christian mega church complex) are all real.

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2008, 01:22:11 AM »

Not suprised.
I knew I would not be able to pick them.  Yep, it is hard to pick a parody in this area, huh?
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