Rise and fall of heroes

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Brian (November 06, 2012, 08:43:06 AM):
When does a hero cease to be a hero? Take Lance Armstrong for example: what a disaster for the sport but more importantly for the good he's also done in cancer etc.Take Hansie Cronje and then you get folk heroes like Che Guevara who will remain a hero despite his brutality. Of course you then also have a variety of folk heroes whose lives are shrouded in mysticism and romanticised like Bonnie and Clyde; Jesse James, Billy the Kid, Ned Kelly who were just violent criminals; and then you have the likes of William Wallace, Guy Fawkes etc. In some cultures, heroes will include Osama bin Laden; Robert Mugabe and even our own Julius. Raoul Wallenberg who saved the lives of thousands of Jews and died it is said in Lubyanka prison is a largely unsung hero (although there are quite a number of statues in his honour) but never to the extent that a Che is honoured among the masses.

My take of a hero is a somewhat ordinary person who does extraordinary deeds in extraordinary times/conditions.
Rigil Kent (November 06, 2012, 08:55:42 AM):
A hero is someone we admire in spite of his frailties. If they did not suffer human imperfections, they'd be superheros. Which are fictional. I've dusted off and flipped through my copy of Lance's now somewhat ironically titled It's not about the Bike, in which he describes his struggle with cancer and his first Tour victory. I still think there is much left to be admired. Maybe its just sentiment - Lance was THE guy that we all looked up to during the days when I was a serious amateur - but for now I'm quite happy to keep him in my little box of heroes, albeit slightly further to the left.

Rigil

Tweefo (November 06, 2012, 19:42:54 PM):
I think this is difficult to answer because one man's hero is another's villain or a terrorist to a freedom fighter and so on. Timing also play a role (can the sport hero live a clean life? - Joost, Hansie). Maybe real hero status can only come with age, if they still talk good things about you after, lets say, a 100 years I suppose you've earned it
Mefiante (November 06, 2012, 20:13:02 PM):
I think this is difficult to answer because one man's hero is another's villain…
Exactly. The whole sordid topic is entirely faddish and subjective, however skewed in one or the other direction any particular case may be. Both Hitler and Mandela are hero and villain, depending on whom you ask, and when. All that’s needed to evoke a label of “hero” or “villain” is action or thinking that is sufficiently controversial.

'Luthon64
Rigil Kent (November 07, 2012, 08:32:05 AM):
I think it's important to identify a collection of heroes for oneself as it modulates behaviour. You know, WWJD and all that. :P

A hero is proof that our ideals are attainable in practice.

Rigil

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