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The Locator Locates! (Danie Krugel)

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« Reply #90 on: September 11, 2008, 12:39:47 PM »

Controversial inventor wants to look for missing woman (my bold)
Controversial inventor Danie Krugel says the relatives of a missing South African woman in Dubai have a good chance of finding her with him on their side.

35-year-old Kerry Winter went missing in Dubai last month.

She was last seen being beaten and bundled into her car allegedly by her former boyfriend. He was arrested several days later.

Krugel, the man dubbed ‘the locator’ says his willing to fly to Dubai to look for Winter.

The former policeman claims to have invented a device which uses a person's DNA to track them down.

Last year, Krugel tried to find the remains of five girls who were kidnapped by notorious paedophile Gert van Rooyen almost two decades ago and missing British girl Madeline McCann.

Raymond Boucher's niece Odette was one of the victims – he’s skeptical about Krugel's invention.

But Krugel says his high success rate is enough to keep critics quiet.

Good to see the media is at least reporting accurately on this fraudster. Danie, as you can see, the critics are not quiet at all, just as you have, contrary to what you believe, a pathetic success rate...
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« Reply #91 on: September 11, 2008, 12:50:03 PM »


I wonder for what reason though, if it is because they don't want any interference, then fine. But if it is for political reasons, or that they think this machine is somehow special, then they are acting silly as well.
Even though Krügel's machine is super secret, and maybe that is why they don't want to let it in, I can assure them they need not worry. A clock radio has more advanced electronics than that glorified contraption of his.
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« Reply #92 on: September 11, 2008, 13:08:45 PM »

Please help me compile a list of cases that DK was involved in here: http://forum.skeptic.za.org/general-skepticism/danie-krugel%27s-success-rate/
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« Reply #93 on: September 11, 2008, 17:04:19 PM »

Please help me compile a list of cases that DK was involved in…
I think there are several links to DK’s failures to be found in moonflake’s blog entries on DK.  Sadly, the blogger is presently on a sabbatical for an indeterminate period.  IIRC, there were three such entries on DK, but there’s a search facility provided by the WordPress hosting software.

(I’m posting this here so as not to “contaminate” the DK success rate thread.)

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« Reply #94 on: September 11, 2008, 17:41:43 PM »

Thanks. Yeah, moonflake is missed. I haven't had time to go through his/her blog yet, but will do so when I can. In the meantime don't be afraid to contaminate the success thread, I will edit it as I see fit Wink
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« Reply #95 on: September 12, 2008, 15:01:28 PM »

I wonder for what reason though, if it is because they don't want any interference, then fine. But if it is for political reasons, or that they think this machine is somehow special, then they are acting silly as well.
I meant to answer this before but it fell through the cracks in my head.  A conspiracy theorist might say that the Dubai police have something to hide and are worried that Krügel will find something they would rather leave undiscovered.  Call me gullible, but somehow I don’t think that’s the case… Wink



Even though Krügel's machine is super secret, and maybe that is why they don't want to let it in,…
Yes, I think it’s simply that Krügel refuses to open his magic box for purposes of inspection and therefore they won’t let him enter.  They’re worried about woo-woo (or some other similarly devastating narcotic) being smuggled into the country because they’ve got too much of their own as it is.



… I can assure them they need not worry. A clock radio has more advanced electronics than that glorified contraption of his.
That would explain why a clock radio, unlike Krügel, actually works reliably. Cheesy

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« Reply #96 on: September 14, 2008, 09:45:27 AM »

IOL - Winter family pin hopes on Dubai meeting
The family have asked Danie Krugel, known as "The Locator", to assist with the search and have given him a sample of Winter's hair to help track her through his Matter Orientation System.
But Krugel has said he can't conduct any tests unless he is in Dubai. This week, however, the UAE authorities refused to allow Krugel and his instruments into the country.
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"If I go to them [the Dubai police] and say it has been 23 days now [that Kerry is missing], and that we now have someone to assist [Krugel], they say his equipment is illegal. I don't know if they've even tried."

As suspected, the Dubai authorities won't let in his super secret MOS. Come on Danie, just show them that it's no more than a high school science project with fancy lights - I'm sure after the laughter died down they will let you continue to go play in the desert.
I must say, your locator is not much of a locator if you have to actually go to the object you want to locate...

Anyway. Hopefully the Winters will now be spared the expenses of shipping DK and his MOS around and focus on better ways to find what they are looking for. I am sickened by the way DK keeps taking advantage of their desperation and feeding them false hope.

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« Reply #97 on: September 14, 2008, 11:09:09 AM »

Earlier in the week, Clint met Danie Krügel, director of security services at the Central University of Technology in Bloemfontein.

Krügel says he has developed a system that can track missing people anywhere in the world using a strand of hair.

"We found a hair sample in clothes Kerry left behind from her last visit home in June, but he said he needed to be in the country. (Dubai) Police said he could come, but not with his equipment," Clint said.

"I'm just awaiting news about my visa so I can go," Krügel said.

"When I'm there I can go to the area and do a 5km radius search. If she's there I'll tell the police, but if she's not then we'll know that Mark was lying. I will try to find her location. She's a South African like me, so I must try to help."
Read that again: “Krügel … has … a system that can track missing people anywhere in the world using a strand of hair.”  As bluegray V has pointed out, why the need, then, to enter the United Arab Emirates (UAE) at all?  He could measure from SA and perhaps one or two other countries further north that aren’t so fussy about importing handheld woo-woo boxes if Krügel needs to improve his triangulation.

Notice also that Mark Arnold’s fate could potentially depend on Krügel’s utterances: if Krügel says, on no sound basis, that Arnold was lying and Krügel is taken seriously, Arnold could face undeserved vilification and bad treatment, and that’s hardly justice (because it’s not based on solid evidence) even if Arnold had a hand in Kerry’s disappearance.  Worse yet, what if Krügel subsequently turns out to have been wrong?  How will he make up for the anguish he has caused Arnold and Kerry’s family and friends?

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« Reply #98 on: September 23, 2008, 15:48:48 PM »

The family of missing Durban woman Kerry Winter is still hoping that international manhunt expert, Danie Krugel, can assist the investigation.

*Sigh* "international manhunt expert"Huh? Roll Eyes
Really Barbara Cole, an expert implies some skill and success in that field. DK is an expert in deceiving gullible journalists like yourself, something I would not advertise if I were serious about journalism...
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« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2008, 18:32:26 PM »

Yeah, thus are myths born, midwived by exaggeration.

Next thing you know, we’ll have Tommy Lee Jones or someone playing Danie Krügel in a movie called The Spiral Haircase or maybe Fibreman - The Movie.

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« Reply #100 on: September 23, 2008, 19:54:27 PM »

I am the owner of www.vood00.wordpress.com, where I've spent some time and effort in debunking all Krugel's claims. I now have a bit of a challenge for South African skeptics on Facebook: The family of Kerry Winter has been duped into believing that Krugel can help them, and are continuing their efforts to get him and his woo-box into Dubai (at their expense).

I have taken the step (not lightly) to share my views on Krugel on the Facebook Group "Help us find Kerry" at http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=25303393482, because even though I feel sorry for them and fully understand their grief and need for closure, I also think that they have the opportunity to unmask Krugel for the fraud he surely is. I don't want to be an insensitive cynic who expects an already grief-stricken family to play to my whims of giving Krugel a fake hair sample or two to test his claims while they just want to find thir loved one, but I have now suggested exactly that, in the hope that some good can come of this tragedy. Problem is that people who have just lost a loved one have a very different idea of what "good" means, and unmasking a fraud to save future families in the same situation from false hope and heartachhe is understandably low on their list. This said, I still feel that they need to know the facts, and if they still choose to continue on the Krugel route, to have at least a little doubt and perhaps a willingness to test him by providing a fake sample or two.

So, what I am trying to get to is to ask any of you who feel that you are willing to put your name to this, to comment on the wall of the Facebook group, and reinforce my arguments against and suggestions for unmansking Krugel. Winters' direct family members manage, read and respond to posts made there, and I've already had at least one response that lists daniekrugelfacts.com as their source of confidence in his claims. I don't think the family will appreciate it now, but if it works, it will be a great day for logic, reason, science and future victims.
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« Reply #101 on: September 23, 2008, 20:36:30 PM »

Oi, this is a tough one. As bad as I want DK to be exposed for the fraud that he is, I don't think this is the way to do it. I would imagine that taking part in an experiment or test would be furthest from their mind atm. Unless they approach someone, I think it should be left there. The most we can do is try to make sure that they are aware that daniekrugelfacts is his own propaganda site and that he and his fake DNA detector is not in the least as successful in finding people as he tries to make us believe.

As you said, they want to hear positive things and to believe that DK can find Kerry. A few people telling them otherwise is not what they want to hear right now. I believe pushing it too much could hurt our position more than it can help it. Maybe the best thing to do is to put them in contact with some of the previous families that were conned by DK. Maybe their experiences will be more persuasive.

That said, I am glad you brought it up. They might not really care about what some skeptics think, but maybe they do care about any future families that might get hurt and taken advantage of by DK.

I haven't read all the posts in the FB group, but I will go through it later...
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« Reply #102 on: September 23, 2008, 21:50:49 PM »

I have to agree - much as I want to help expose the schmuck (and am all for what you have done on your blog) this is the wrong way to go about it. They have much bigger issues to worry about, and they are right when they say they have nothing to lose (tho you could argue they may get false hope, but that's their decision). He will likely add this to his list of failures without your help, and we'll have another fail to add to the list.
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« Reply #103 on: September 23, 2008, 22:24:42 PM »

...and they are right when they say they have nothing to lose (tho you could argue they may get false hope, but that's their decision).
I don't quite agree that they have nothing to lose. Apart from the emotional anguish it can cause, they will spend time and resources on chasing after DK, instead of using it on something useful.

BTW, welcome to the new members,  SSiE and ewan Smiley
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« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2008, 22:27:11 PM »

What follows may be redundant for having already occurred – the Facebook link is blocked to me.

I must echo and reinforce the generally evident sentiment here that Danie Krügel needs to be exposed for the fraud, variously delusional fool, he no doubt is.  Rather than effectively issuing an overt challenge in the present circumstance, I think it might be better to point up Krügel’s failures one at a time and repeatedly.  The general feeling will, I expect, be against a rational approach because woo-woos proverbially think with their hearts rather than their heads, and there’s a really good chance that the message of rationality will be ignored and dismissed as “destroying hope.”  Such emotion is both inimical and impervious to reason.

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