Ahvaz petition to stop regulating CAM

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cr1t (July 21, 2014, 09:50:39 AM):
I tend towards Rigil's views here: I am happy to let Darwin sort out CAM. Especially in South Africa - do we REALLY want even more of our current government?

As for Avaaz, I once signed one of their petitions, years ago. Can't even remember what it was about anymore, but since then they have notified me of dozens or even hundreds of such petitions. They are the world's prime launch pad for fashionably leftish bandwagons.

CAM is a multi million rand business, peddling who knows what to people.
Brian and Rigil your argument is such as to say we should not go after scam artist, because well smart people wont be caught by them.

I think your distaste for the government may be influencing your opinion.

I think anything that makes it harder for businesses to make more money selling useless stuff is good.
Mefiante (July 21, 2014, 10:11:40 AM):
Yup, the people behind this petition are either deluded or scammers, quite possibly both. They are demanding special leave allowing them to sell unregulated medications. They are no doubt very happy that conventional medicines are regulated but are hypocritical enough to dodge holding their own products up to a similar standard. The efficacy of their nostrums is an objective question that can be settled by the methods of scientific inquiry, not by a petition.

Or are they admitting by implication that their products don’t need regulation because they are, at bottom, no more than harmless placebos?

Whichever way you look at it, this petition is a peek into the strange self-aggrandising world of the CAM-pusher.

BoogieMonster (July 21, 2014, 10:22:16 AM):
This is not about guys sitting on the pavement peddling roots, unfortunately.

Walk into any Clicks, peruse the aisles and you find wall-to-wall bullshit being peddled as cures for almost any ailment you can think of. Nicely packaged, with misleading labelling... This is big business, no matter what your average hippy tells you about the govt. trying to stomp on "the small guy", this is really big money.

And across the way you have to stand and queue to talk to a pharmacist peddling the real stuff, except it claims to cure exactly the same ailment, costs more, and you may need a prescription. Customers are deliberately being lead from the frying pan straight into the fire.

So I'm also in the double standards camp. If you want to sell medicine, you have to comply with the law which governs medicine.
Whyohwhy (July 21, 2014, 11:11:44 AM):
"Moreover, there may well be something to these traditional plant cures. I know of at least two modern medicines that can trace their origins back to early botanical wisdom, and I suspect there may be a net advantage in letting the populace experiment with our rich plant heritage."

The plant cures that work do become real medicine - Asprin, heart medicine from Digitalis, Emex from some black thorn plant. There are numerous examples. There are probably more examples, but I'm not in the medical field so don't know of many off hand. The problem is though, that when unregulated and sold in health stores and Clicks and Dischem on the shelves, do those pills and potions contain what they claim to contain, has a therapeutic dosage been discovered, is there any knowledge of side effects and drug interactions? Why should CAM be exempt from these very basic requirements of health care?

Intelligent people do still fall for this stuff. I think I read somewhere (probably on Science Based Medicine blog) that the biggest users of CAM have an undergraduate degree. I know that a degree is no guarantee of intelligence or critical thinking skills. These same people won't believe any old thing about other things, but when it comes to their health, any old thing seems to do - and then they inflict this on their children who have no choice in the matter.
BoogieMonster (July 21, 2014, 11:25:47 AM):
I would suspect that given such legislation, the cost of regulation won't go up. I don't think most makers of quack medicine would even try to comply.


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