...and so homeopathy is a cure-all

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Mefiante (June 24, 2013, 15:48:30 PM):
… postmodernist philosophers…
That’s an oxymoron.

Or an egregious misuse of the word “philosophers”.

;)

'Luthon64
Lurkie (July 19, 2013, 16:46:55 PM):
DrT, you need to read 'Trick or treatment' by Simon Singh and Edzard Ernst:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trick-Treatment-Alternative-Medicine-Trial/dp/0552157627]
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Trick-Treatment-Alternative-Medicine-Trial/dp/0552157627

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Edzard Ernst is the world's first professor of complementary medicine, based at Exeter University. He started out as a GP with a homeopathy interest. Initially he thought he was having good results with his homeopathic treatments, so he decided to run double-blind placebo controlled trials. To his amazement, he found his results were not better than random. I use 'amazement' because he had convinced himself that he was getting positive results (this is human nature - we remember the positive results but not the negative ones, leading to selection bias). He also goes on to test all sorts of other alternative medicine.

It is a very worthwhile read and is also highly entertaining.
The Vulcan (January 19, 2014, 19:35:05 PM):
Don't know whether to post this here under homeopathy bull shit or under a thread to do with MLMs

Mannatech IMO is the worst when it comes to their sales tactics, they seemingly target the sick and desperate, especially cancer patients, happened to my friends and family twice now.

I was invited to my friend's home for this presentation by this Mannatech guy, needless to say I gave him hell. He went on and on about this Ambrotose supplements with "glyconutrients" the lady had terminal cancer and was put on morphine for pain management - he would have her throw that away and take this "miracle, cure-all" fucking Mannatech bullshit and pay the R4000 joining fee, scary part is that I'm almost sure they'd have fallen for this hook, line and sinker if I weren't there, they're kinda... sheeple, good salt of the earth people, you know.. Then my sister got cancer and within 2 weeks she received a Mannatech pamphlet and dvd... Suffice it to say that I gave her a mouthful on these scumbags...
Lurkie (January 19, 2014, 19:53:58 PM):
These guys are liars and thieves. And psychopaths because they prey on desperation. Or idiots because they believe in their product.

Do they claim any HIV cure? If so, they can be shut down legally.
The Vulcan (January 19, 2014, 20:14:17 PM):
These guys are liars and thieves. And psychopaths because they prey on desperation.

Just that. Desperation can sometimes make idiots of anyone and especially on the more trusting good-folk.

I've googled them a little bit, mean I don't want to tob and turn about them or give them the light of day or anything, but I've read that they are sued for millions, and yet they're seemingly growing, it's weird how I run into these people, I mean first it was the guys with Golden Products, Herbalife and Amway, usually I make good friends with them, they're actually very good sales people sometimes (in a weird fundie way - they got that same glaze over their eyes when they're talking MLM churchfolk get)

And this is the really bad thing about Mannatech - once you buy into it, I guess it's like joining a cult, you need to believe it and you need to proselytize. When I asked the guy about what science journals I look up and what medical trials and what type of approval they got, he just went on about testimonies, hey it cures cancer and it cures diabities too don't you know, don't know about HIV though, got a feelin' there's a shower involved...

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