Cell/Tissue salts.

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BoogieMonster (July 29, 2010, 14:32:00 PM):
I have a really irritating situation developing at work. 2 woo heads have taken it upon themselves to solve my insomnia woes. For one, my insomnia is not completely chronic, it comes and goes and mostly I "manage", sometimes begrudgingly, but I've always been resolved never to take to sleeping tablets, etc. to just cover up the issue.

Now, I've been this way a long, long ass time, and my whole life people have peppered me with possible solutions that were "sure to work", but never did. So for the last couple of years I'm just dealing with whatever effect there may be and adjusting my lifestyle accordingly. Oh, and ignoring all the remedies I've tried before.

But now the 2 homeopathic nuts in the office are hard-punting "Tissue salts" at me all day. I've already clarified for them that I'm not interested in any homeopathic remedies whatsoever and we've had the requisite protracted difference-of-opinion on the matter. But they still claim that the cell salt thing is legit even if I don't believe in homeopathy. I beg to differ, as one of the few things I can find online about the matter is:

However, searching for cell-salt skepticism is not really giving me much results. So I'm hoping someone here can point me in a direction that'll bear fruit. Some kind of (scientific) study must be out there on the matter?

Normally I'd brush this off, but now I'm hearing these guys gossiping around the office that I'm being such an idiot for not taking their salts, and I'm refusing their help, the salts CLEARLY work, etc. (Stuff I wouldn't normally ascribe to intelligent adult men, but hey, what do you do?)

I just want some kind of confirmation, from the wiki article it seems like just another batshit crazy theory gone out of hand, but if there's anything to it, I'd like to know.
Mefiante (July 29, 2010, 15:29:09 PM):
I’ve put out some feelers but there’s precious little reliable information out there that is readily accessible. As and when I get useful feedback, I’ll post it here.

The Wikipedia article even says, “No peer reviewed scientific clinical trials have been conducted on tissue salts, and they are less well known to the public than some other complementary therapies.” This means that your promoting colleagues probably can’t present you with persuasive and trustworthy evidence that their latest favourite therapy actually works. Perhaps this should be pointed out. If, as is likely, they’ll cite you a litany of anecdotes, you can tell them that there’s much, much more anecdotal “evidence” that powdered rhino horn is an all-round salubrious tonic that also alleviates low libido, and ask them if they believe that it does.

Still, here’s a start:
Cell Salts

Some homeopathic manufacturers market twelve highly diluted mineral products called "cell salts" or "tissue salts." These are claimed to be effective against a wide variety of diseases, including appendicitis (ruptured or not), baldness, deafness, insomnia, and worms. Their use is based on the notion that mineral deficiency is the basic cause of disease. However, many are so diluted that they could not correct a mineral deficiency even if one were present. Development of this approach is attributed to a nineteenth-century physician named W.H. Schuessler.
The point to note, I think, is that since this therapy has been around for more than 100 years, it is quite a mystery why it still remains so obscure if it is supposed to be so effective.

BoogieMonster (July 29, 2010, 15:38:29 PM):
Aye, like I said, we had the protracted discussion about homeopathy in general. The wall of ignorance went up when the guy said "Science is not advanced enough yet to understand homeopathy". At that point there's no argumentation really, even my pleas that "even if you can't explain it, you should be able to show that it works, if it works" were brushed off quite casually.

That's prob. why they believe this woo is stronger, since it has no evidence either way I can use to justify my position. :/

Thanks for the effort Mefi.
GCG (July 29, 2010, 15:50:33 PM):
as a general thing, if i can buy it at the local herbal shop, it's bollocks.
next, if one of these homeopathic dudes punt the stuff, moreso.

like mefi sed, if its so hectically effective, why havent some corporate fat-cat bought the patents to it, and made zillions out of it?
Mefiante (July 29, 2010, 16:00:34 PM):
That's prob. why they believe this woo is stronger, since it has no evidence either way I can use to justify my position.
Yes, sadly I do understand. And it’ll be just as pointless pointing out that such a position is obviously and ridiculously perverse. The slipperiness of the committed woo-woo acolyte knows few bounds. It’s like a religion. In that case, your best option might be simply to do your best and ignore the ribbing as inconsequential and without merit. You don’t need to stick pins in your eyes to be sure that doing so is not a good idea. That’s a blunt way of saying that you don’t need to try every suggested therapy before dismissing it as unproven and very probably ineffective. It’s up to the proponents thereof to prove that it works.



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