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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2015, 23:39:37 PM »

Hell I'll applaud the sheer balls of going all out in a public forum over something that is actually really important, man alone against the world. Bravo!
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2015, 04:50:38 AM »

But why would it take 5 years to learn how to shake a mixture? Maybe they have slow learners at UJ. I am no academic but whenever UJ came up in conversation it was, oh that university. Maybe that is just small town mentality. A lot of people out here see Joburg as "Sodom and Gamorra".
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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2015, 07:43:15 AM »

But why would it take 5 years to learn how to shake a mixture?
Without seeing the actual textbooks, one can only guess. Looking at the curriculum there appears to be a number of subjects thrown into the mix that is probably scientifically legitimate. I don't expect any difference between, say, the anatomy or basic chemistry/physics that medical students and homeopaths must learn, so they can easily share a classroom.

And then of course a lot of time can be spent on memorising the purported theory behind homeopathy, in the same way you could spend several years learning the subtleties of theology or astrology.

As Mefiante pointed out, Joe public could well be more impressed by the quantity rather than the quality of a practitioner's studies. Maybe that is why some homeopaths so eagerly mention the number of years that they've spent obtaining their papers.


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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2015, 08:25:38 AM »

There’s also this enlightening post from a few years ago.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2015, 10:39:10 AM »

Let's see if this gets them going
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Ernst Marais Ek weet nie of ek te vinnig praat nie, maar ek dink die "Homopaat skeptici" wen hierdie debat. Kom ons recap: Karin Pelser of Meraai Dewet het nie, of kan nie, behoorlike bewyse vir hul standpunt bring nie. Ek het gewys, en hier is die defeniesie weer, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homeopathy wat Homopatie behels. Ek het ook gewys dat daardie metode onmoontlik nie kan werk nie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy Karin Pelser het dit beklemtoon dat sy by twee "rade" geregistreerd is. Sy noem nie die rade nie, maar ek neem aan dat dit medise rade is. Ek kan maar net daarop wys dat nie alle lande Homopatie toelaat nie. SA se standaarde is nie die hoogste in die wêreld nie. Meraai Dewet het ook gevra " dink jy ons glo aan fairies, voorvadergeeste?" Ek weet nie, maar as jy glo dat 'n Homopatiese mengsel jou gesond kan maak, dan glo jy dalk in ander nonsens ook. Michel Grace sê ek "is so dom soos grond". Nog nooit die vergelyking gehoor nie, so ek weet nie wat dit beteken nie. Sy sê ook ons voorvaders het "herbal" gebruik. Reg so, maar nie in belaglik verdunde mengsels nie. Nico Swart by https://www.facebook.com/nico.swart.186?fref=ufi en 'n paar andere, hierdie is dalk 'n goeie tyd om hieroor na te dink: Galeleo Galilei en Copernicus is ook dwase in hul tyd genoem (en voordat die kommentaar begin, ek stel myself geensins gelyk aan hierdie reuse nie.) Dit was mense wat vrae gevra het, en nie maar alles net aanvaar het nie. Ten laaste, ek dink Louwrens Du Plessis se verhaal wys hoe ding verkeerd kan loop. Medise wetenskap groei, nuwe kennis en metodes word gebruik. Homopatie is vasgevang in 'n 200 jaar oue idee van iemand wat wiskundig gestremd was.

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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2015, 12:04:42 PM »

ek sou byvoeg dat die gebruik van "herbal" nie 'n bewys van effektiwiteit is nie en in elk geval die lewensverwagting van ons voorvaders was maar bitter kort vergeleke met vandag s'n. So-ook was die morbiditeits vlak van babas baie hoog want medies wetenskap was maar power.
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2015, 12:07:50 PM »

As you can see, I've got way too much time on my hands.
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Ernst Marais Ek het hiedie link ongelukkig nou eers gekry. Ek dink dit klaar die hele Dr. ding op. Volg dit asseblief. http://forum.skeptic.za.org/.../homeopath.../msg18563/...

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Meraai Dewet Ernst Marais, ek het nie die heeldat tyd om op fb te lê nie om met jou te dabatteer nie. EK WERK VIR MY GELD.
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Ernst Marais In die lig van alles wat in hierbo geskryf is, is die woord MISLEI dalk 'n beter woord om te gebruik as die woord WERK. Ek glo dis 'n beter werk-beskrywing. Maar aangesien ek nie bekend is met al die take wat u moet verrig nie, is ek seker verkeerd.
I had to cover myself a bit on that last one, would have liked to put it stronger.
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2015, 12:11:46 PM »

ek sou byvoeg dat die gebruik van "herbal" nie 'n bewys van effektiwiteit is nie en in elk geval die lewensverwagting van ons voorvaders was maar bitter kort vergeleke met vandag s'n. So-ook was die morbiditeits vlak van babas baie hoog want medies wetenskap was maar power.
Goeie punt. Sal dit gebruik as die persoon iets te sê het.
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2015, 13:58:49 PM »

There’s also this enlightening post from a few years ago.
That was a very good write up. I wonder what happened to AntiOxidant after such a sterling opening letter.

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2015, 14:16:48 PM »

Probably needed a good long rust… Grin

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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2015, 14:23:10 PM »

Probably needed a good long rust… Grin
I hope the sheer extent of the sham didn't reduce him to hopelessness.... Undecided
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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2015, 14:28:18 PM »

ek sou byvoeg dat die gebruik van "herbal" nie 'n bewys van effektiwiteit is nie en in elk geval die lewensverwagting van ons voorvaders was maar bitter kort vergeleke met vandag s'n. So-ook was die morbiditeits vlak van babas baie hoog want medies wetenskap was maar power.
Goeie punt. Sal dit gebruik as die persoon iets te sê het.

Inderdaad. Sover ek weet, bestaan homeopatie al 'n goeie twee eeue, en herbale medisyne sedert prehistoriese tye. So waarom is dit dan dat dit eers sedert die ontwikkeling van moderne medisyne wat westerline se lewensverwagting so die hoogte ingeskiet het?
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2015, 14:37:30 PM »

So-ook was die morbiditeits vlak van babas (...)
Noem dit liefs die stertesyfer.  Dit klink meer opgewek. Wink
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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2015, 16:15:42 PM »

Hoer lewensverwagting hang daarem nie net af van medisyne nie: dieet, lewenstyl, genetiese faktore...(hierdie een sal die woowoos laat bewe) en so aan speel ook hulle deel.
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2015, 16:22:30 PM »

En hoe weet ons dit? Mediese navorsing het ons gehelp om te besef dat elke aand 2 skaaptjops eet dalk nie die beste idee is nie. Wat jy jou baba moet voer, dat jy gereëld tande moet borsel, kook water om dit veiliger te maak, pasteuriseer melk, inentings, was jou hande, moenie speelgoed van lood maak nie (China sukkel nog so bietjie, bygesê), moenie waterpype van lood maak nie, oefen gereëld, die lys gaan aan en aan.

EDIT: Ek dink die mediese wetenskap het ons lewens handomkeer verander, omtrent elke aspek van ons lewens is nou anders. Of dit nou aktief (gedrags verandering) of passief (veiliger voedsel en ander produkte) is.
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