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What is homeopathic surgery?

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« on: July 22, 2008, 09:14:07 AM »

I had a look at Dr.Nancy Maliks webpage and noted that
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She has a Bachelor of Homoeopathic Medicine and Surgery (BHMS) from Homoeopathic Medical College and Hospital, 
What is homeopathic surgery  Huh?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 12:04:53 PM »

Maybe it should say Surgery / Homeopathic Medicine...
Either way, no one with homeopathy in their list of qualifications is getting near me with a knife Wink
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 12:26:18 PM »

First, I thought that, given homoeopathy’s two founding principles, namely (1) like cures like and (2) curative power increases with dilution, homoeopathic surgery of a malignant tumour would involve the introduction of a sub-microscopic morsel of an appropriately carcinogenic material into the patient’s body.  But I was wrong.  It’s quite a lot scarier.

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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 13:55:48 PM »

I just want to add my 5 cents worth to the homeopathy debate.
I feel that anyone using homeopathic treatments on children and animals should be charged with abuse, because children and animals are vulnerable and cannot defend themselves; and now after reading the link that 'Luthon64 provided, I'm  horrified at just how much "medicine" these quacks are allowed "practice".
I had no idea that they were allowed to perform any type of surgery - it's absolutely frightening  Shocked.
Thanks for the link 'Luthon64
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 12:34:29 PM »

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=homeop;idno=AKK5242
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=uAbHaHT2TwoC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=%22Homeopathy+in+surgery%22&source=web&ots=D7XmtGk_Ux&sig=DC5AG_-LJtTs-EVw4ndfzmpPW-M&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2058250/Homeopathic-support-during-surgery-Therapeutic-reference-sheet
http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=surgical-operations-smith
http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/544
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 12:35:20 PM »

Maybe it should say Surgery / Homeopathic Medicine...
Either way, no one with homeopathy in their list of qualifications is getting near me with a knife Wink

Homeopath is a physician without a knife
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 12:40:28 PM »

I just want to add my 5 cents worth to the homeopathy debate.
I feel that anyone using homeopathic treatments on children and animals should be charged with abuse, because children and animals are vulnerable and cannot defend themselves; and now after reading the link that 'Luthon64 provided, I'm  horrified at just how much "medicine" these quacks are allowed "practice".
I had no idea that they were allowed to perform any type of surgery - it's absolutely frightening  Shocked.
Thanks for the link 'Luthon64

Infants: Homeopathic remedies and treatments are successfully used by parents for common infant ailments such as colic, teething pain and some infections.

Animals: There are many veterinarians using homeopathic medicines to treat domestic pets such as cats, dogs and birds, as well as barnyard animals like goats, horses and cows. Is it possible to have a placebo effect with animals?
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 16:16:03 PM »

The placebo is for the owner's benefit. He/she is paying the bill. Like I said before - most illnesses go away by themselves. There were no vets 100,000 years ago. If every illness killed, there would be nothing here.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2009, 07:06:52 AM »

sorry for replying to oyur post quite late

Homoeopathy has a limited role when surgery is the only option left before a patient. What I believe is if a patient can be cured by a gentler system of medicine, why not? Why to subject him to conventional medicine which is harsh on human body? When something we can’t cure in Homoeopathy, we ourselves refer our patients to our colleagues who are CM practioners.

Even, homoeopathic medicines taken during surgical procedures, it can enhance the recovery (faster healing) of the patient.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2009, 16:03:59 PM »

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What I believe is if a patient can be cured by a gentler system of medicine, why not?

Because if you go in and kick some serious butt with medicine, it surely limits the damage being done by the disease to the patient's body? Letting a bacterium or virus run amok in the patient's body for a longer time than absolutely necessary, surely allows more damage to take place, damage that must be repaired by the patient's body?
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2009, 16:26:51 PM »

"The more dilute the better" right? You wash your hands after going to the toilet thereby diluting the corruption. Those germs must be mean by now. But hang on, you also have to shake the solution for a number of times. Guess that's what is keeping us alive, but be carefull, don't try and shake your hands dry.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2009, 18:26:00 PM »


Because if you go in and kick some serious butt with medicine, it surely limits the damage being done by the disease to the patient's body? Letting a bacterium or virus run amok in the patient's body for a longer time than absolutely necessary, surely allows more damage to take place, damage that must be repaired by the patient's body?

Homeopathy plays vital role in curing an infectious diseases. Homeopathic medicines can kill bacteria. Viral infections such as common cold, influenza, viral hepatitis (jaundice) etc. are very well treated with homeopathy. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2009, 18:27:00 PM »

"The more dilute the better" right? You wash your hands after going to the toilet thereby diluting the corruption. Those germs must be mean by now. But hang on, you also have to shake the solution for a number of times. Guess that's what is keeping us alive, but be carefull, don't try and shake your hands dry.

What do you mean by "better"?
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2009, 19:32:04 PM »

What I believe is if a patient can be cured by a gentler system of medicine, why not?
The available evidence strongly indicates that homoeopathy is a placebo, not a system of medicine, gentler or otherwise.  Your own beliefs are not relevant to what actually is the case.



Why to subject him to conventional medicine which is harsh on human body?
It’s only harsh where no real alternative is available.  Homoeopathy is not a real alternative.



When something we can’t cure in Homoeopathy, we ourselves refer our patients to our colleagues who are CM practioners.
Too many case histories of serious disease indicate exactly the opposite.



Even, homoeopathic medicines taken during surgical procedures, it can enhance the recovery (faster healing) of the patient.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!



Homeopathy plays vital role in curing an infectious diseases.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!



Homeopathic medicines can kill bacteria.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!



Viral infections such as common cold, influenza, viral hepatitis (jaundice) etc. are very well treated with homeopathy.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 07:59:34 AM »

What I believe is if a patient can be cured by a gentler system of medicine, why not?
The available evidence strongly indicates that homoeopathy is a placebo, not a system of medicine, gentler or otherwise.  Your own beliefs are not relevant to what actually is the case.

Why to subject him to conventional medicine which is harsh on human body?
It’s only harsh where no real alternative is available.  Homoeopathy is not a real alternative.

When something we can’t cure in Homoeopathy, we ourselves refer our patients to our colleagues who are CM practioners.
Too many case histories of serious disease indicate exactly the opposite.

Even, homoeopathic medicines taken during surgical procedures, it can enhance the recovery (faster healing) of the patient.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!

Homeopathy plays vital role in curing an infectious diseases.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!

Homeopathic medicines can kill bacteria.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!

Viral infections such as common cold, influenza, viral hepatitis (jaundice) etc. are very well treated with homeopathy.
Repeatable, objective, clear-cut evidence, please!

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Homeopathy is gentler system of medicine because unlike allopathy it is not harsh on human body. It respect's body's natural defense mechanisms

Yes, homeopathy is not an alternative sometimes. It is mainstream for some patients. Conventional, alternative or complementary is as per see.

A person who prefers, let's say homeopathy, as a first line of treatment, conventional/allopathy is an alternative medicine for him.

Likewise a person who took allopathy as first line of treatment, other forms of treatment are comlementary/alternative.

Homeopathy during surgery

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=homeop;idno=AKK5242

Homeopathic support during surgery - Therapeutic reference sheet


http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=surgical-operations-smith

http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/node/544

http://www.hpathy.com/papersnew/schuett-homeopathy-surgery.asp

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=uAbHaHT2TwoC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=%22Homeopathy+in+surgery%22&source=web&ots=D7XmtGk_Ux&sig=DC5AG_-LJtTs-EVw4ndfzmpPW-M&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result

Homeopathy for bacterial infections: Curcuma Longa, Einbelia Ribes, Azardica Indica, Emblica Oficinale

Homeopathy for fungal infections: calc carb, Emblica officinale
 
Homeopathy for viral infections: euphrasia, azardica indica

Homeopathy for colds: http://www.simillimum.com/education/first-aid-room/contents/cold_and_acute_coryza.php

Homeopathy for influenza: http://www.anilsinghal.com/blog/2009/08/12/h1n1-flu-and-homeopathy-analysis/

Homeopathy for hepatitis: http://www.homoeopathyclinic.com/articles/HEPATITIS.pdf
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