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brianvds (January 16, 2012, 19:18:59 PM):
Given the law the ruling is probably in line with it. I disagree with the law and with Mr Gerber for filing it.

If I start a religion where if you look upon or listen to any advertising, intentional or not, you will be stricken down to a demonic hell, do you think the ASASA would respond to my request for all public advertising to be banned, on the grounds that it deeply upsets and offends my religious beliefs.

I tend to agree. The ASA has a long history of spoiling everyone's fun anyway, and must have banned half of Nando's ads.

Personally, I very much WANT the fundies to shout their hatred and ignorance from the rooftops. It does them more harm than anyone else.
Mefiante (January 16, 2012, 19:34:51 PM):
Personally, I very much WANT the fundies to shout their hatred and ignorance from the rooftops. It does them more harm than anyone else.
I think this point is perhaps too idealistic. It implicitly assumes that people are smarter and/or more courageous than they actually are. If a sizeable fraction of religious people were able to see the lunacy and have the brass tacks to object to it, we’d never have gotten into the situation where fundamentalism enjoys the prevalence it does. Sam Harris’ argument re concentric circles of diminishing reasonableness springs to mind here. In short, if enough people could see fundies’ absurdity, religion wouldn’t enjoy the foothold it does.

'Luthon64
brianvds (January 17, 2012, 06:36:09 AM):
Personally, I very much WANT the fundies to shout their hatred and ignorance from the rooftops. It does them more harm than anyone else.
I think this point is perhaps too idealistic. It implicitly assumes that people are smarter and/or more courageous than they actually are. If a sizeable fraction of religious people were able to see the lunacy and have the brass tacks to object to it, we’d never have gotten into the situation where fundamentalism enjoys the prevalence it does. Sam Harris’ argument re concentric circles of diminishing reasonableness springs to mind here. In short, if enough people could see fundies’ absurdity, religion wouldn’t enjoy the foothold it does.

Yes. Which is why I want them to shout it from the rooftops. :-)

One is in favour of freedom of expression or not. I am in favour of it. That includes the freedom of people whom I don't like to express their views.
Benjammin (January 17, 2012, 07:24:31 AM):
Re: Mefiante

The complaint makes atheists look petty and litigious, and I don't want the public to become aware of atheists if this is their perception. If someone makes a stupid argument, and Plasm 14.1 is a stupid argument, then lets argue back, it is normally the religious who when they run out of arguments (fairly quickly) start suing and complaining about offensive and respect. No. You have the right to offend me and you don't have to respect me.
Mefiante (January 17, 2012, 08:17:25 AM):
The complaint makes atheists look petty and litigious, and I don't want the public to become aware of atheists if this is their perception.
Maybe so, but the religious anyway already have a much distorted view of atheists. People will make of things what they will, as instanced in this thread. Following Mr Gerber’s complaint, one would hope that the religious will be a little more circumspect about demonising atheism, which is where I see the complaint’s consciousness-raising value, as described in an earlier post.

And I’m all for freedom of expression. Nonetheless, there are good reasons why we have injunctions against hate-speech, of which this billboard was a mild case in its disparagement of the atheist demographic.

'Luthon64

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