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« on: April 20, 2010, 15:52:20 PM »

I was supposed to be flying to Iceland next week. I was really excited. I've been on business trips in SA, but this was going to be super cool. I just got out of a meeting, the trip (and the project) has been cancelled due to the project proponent being stuck in London, anyways, until further notice.
http://www.news24.com/World/News/Ash-cloud-to-move-to-Arctic-20100420
Eish... is it awful that I care more about my business trip than the potential effects of this event on a global scale? Do we even know what the effects are/will be? Can't help but think its kinda funny that we, the human race, has all this technology, knowledge, capabilities etc, but when something erups, there sweet nothing we can do about it...
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 16:01:24 PM »

i had thought, that this is, unfortunately for your trip tho, quite cool.
the scientisty people said, that if this volcanic eruption continues, it will block out sun-rays, and cause global cooling.
since we are poeping ourselves about global warming...
hey presto!!!!
problem solved.
fabulous.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 16:50:08 PM »

Lilli sorry your trip got cancelled, but on the positive side, maybe you would be able to have a glimpse of the site, from the air when they do send you there, super cool! Wink

i had thought, that this is, unfortunately for your trip tho, quite cool.
the scientisty people said, that if this volcanic eruption continues, it will block out sun-rays, and cause global cooling.
since we are poeping ourselves about global warming...
hey presto!!!!
problem solved.
fabulous.


I’ve watched a few Nat Geo programmes on this, but something is tickling me here, if someone would care to enlighten me on this(sorry a bit off topic  Wink):
From my understanding, earth is currently still in the ice age that began at the start of the Pleistocene (because Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist)  So according to me, earth is still in a natural heating up process. 
Wouldn’t normal temperatures anyways have increased even if these greenhouse gasses were absent?  Reliable surface temperature record exists only since about 1850.  Can Industrialization be blamed for all?

.....and Osama wanna halt USA for it  Roll Eyes
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Osama bin Laden blamed the United States and other industrialised countries for causing global warming in an extraordinary message issued yesterday.
In a departure from his usual religious rants, the Al Qaeda leader lectured on the dangers of climate change, claiming the only solution was to 'bring the wheels of the American economy' to a halt.
Rather than vows to inflict death and destruction on the U.S. and its allies, the man behind the September 11 atrocity in New York discussed the environmental future of the planet and monetary policy.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247033/Now-Osama-bin-Laden-gets-worried-global-warming.html#ixzz0leTBNlz7


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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 17:10:29 PM »

you know, if i had said it, then i would have heard a thousand voices telling me im a nutjob.

but yes, i have wondered the same, actually.  and as much as humanity has buggered up the environment with regards to polution, killing off species, trees, etc.  and, i might add, placing back corbandioxide back into the atmosphere in the form of burning fossil fuels.
but, too, the planet, in my mind anyway, is still young, tectonic plates going bossies, so it hasnt settled yet.  so fluctuations in temps should be quite normal, methinks. and, as i hear, temps had been climbing for the last few hundred years.  so i dunno.
im not so stressed about global warming, as opposed to our environment being destroyed before anything can adapt to living in the heat conditions.
and as sad as it is that polar bears will have nowhere to live anymore, alot of other species survived and adapted the climate shift throught the millenia, some died out, others adapted and have turned into what we know today. 
it should be an exciting prospect, we are seeing our planet in motion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 17:17:20 PM »

Wouldn’t normal temperatures anyways have increased even if these greenhouse gasses were absent?  Reliable surface temperature record exists only since about 1850.  Can Industrialization be blamed for all?
This is the essence of why global warming is such a fiercely contentious issue.  We certainly are at the tail end of an ice age but nobody can demonstrate convincingly (a) at what rate global temperatures are changing on average, (b) what proportion of temperature change is anthropogenic and what natural, (c) what the major physical factors are that drive temperature change, (d) what the longer term prognoses for various scenarios are, and (e) what, if anything, humans can do to improve the situation.  In short, the jury’s still out on this question and it doesn’t help that there are numerous special interest groups, each pushing its own agenda.

The eruption in Iceland has spewed lots of sulphur-based compounds, chiefly sulphur dioxide, into the air.  Sulphur dioxide reacts with water in the upper atmosphere to form sulphurous acid, which increases the capacity of clouds to reflect incident sunlight (but the sulphurous acid eventually returns to the ground in the form of acid rain, decimating vegetation).  Climatologists believe that the oceans are somewhat cooler today than they would be had the Krakatoa eruption not occurred in 1883.

Oh, and Osama bin Laden is clearly a dedicated scaper of goats… Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 22:16:31 PM »

you know, if i had said it, then i would have heard a thousand voices telling me im a nutjob.
Yeah well I would rather ask here, than the woo woos I'm surrounded by at work, most of them don't care to know more of the world they live in and everything surrounding them.  If you don't gossip, give them an emotional boost of some kind or talk bijbel, they are simply not interested in scientific/medical/geological discoveries/research or whatsoever! In short, they don't feel a shit because their inquisitiveness started and ended with the last juicy gossip!   (Give me a pm if you want me to place a seemingly nutty Q 4u Grin)

Oh, and Osama bin Laden is clearly a dedicated scaper of goats… Roll Eyes
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I suppose his first target would rather be Hybrid car factories, cause I wont for one second believe
they can live without the income of oil sales Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2010, 07:46:38 AM »

So according to me, earth is still in a natural heating up process. 
Wouldn’t normal temperatures anyways have increased even if these greenhouse gasses were absent?  Reliable surface temperature record exists only since about 1850.  Can Industrialization be blamed for all?

You are, to my knowledge, correct. Global temperature change is a natural phenomenon. The thing to be concerned about is that human activity may be speeding up the process, and while the animals who died at the end of the last ice-age just simply went extinct and didn't seem to mind much, I doubt that the human race would feel that way if we don't have enough time to adapt to our new, rapidly forming, much different respective environments.
im not so stressed about global warming, as opposed to our environment being destroyed before anything can adapt to living in the heat conditions.
This should be our primary concern, but as it is yet another problem that would greatly inconvenience the human race if we want to solve it, the drama of global warming is a much more popular conversation topic
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2010, 07:47:22 AM »

Some stunning pics here too:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267018/Iceland-volcano-Amazing-pictures-apocalpyse-like-scene-sky-immersed-black-fog.html
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2010, 08:03:01 AM »

Can't help but think its kinda funny that we, the human race, has all this technology, knowledge, capabilities etc, but when something erupts, there sweet nothing we can do about it...

Yep. Maybe an occasional small reminder that we are still subject to massive, uncontrollable forces is not an altogether bad thing. The earth is generally well behaved, but when it does speak up, it insists on an attentive audience. Hope your travel arrangements will work out eventually.

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2010, 09:27:16 AM »

Hope your travel arrangements will work out eventually.
Thanks. Fortunately I don't think Iceland is going anywhere, and I will likely get another chance.
you know, if i had said it, then i would have heard a thousand voices telling me im a nutjob.
Yeah well I would rather ask here, than the woo woos I'm surrounded by at work,
One would think that one would eventually learn when and where to open your mouth about what. My boss called us in this morning and asked that we pray for the souls of people not yet saved, because the ash cloud is clearly a sign of the end of the world...
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2010, 09:34:12 AM »

One would think that one would eventually learn when and where to open your mouth about what. My boss called us in this morning and asked that we pray for the souls of people not yet saved, because the ash cloud is clearly a sign of the end of the world...

Lovely, I had to endure a prayer for the husband of one of the "tannies" in the office, he went to the mighty men farce over the weekend and has been crying over his sins since. She's at her wits end as to how to "ruk hom reg".

Is there a company in this country thats truly secular? Or are we just so far and few between that we're cursed with these scenario's till our dying day?
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2010, 09:45:15 AM »

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My boss called us in this morning and asked that we pray for the souls of people not yet saved, because the ash cloud is clearly a sign of the end of the world...

i vomit quietly in my mouth.
luckily, my office consists of hippies and ex druggies, and alltho they have their religious moments, they tend to not force it down one's throat.  thank bob for that.  we have, however, one dude, that came to me and my office-mate the day before easter weekend, and told us we need to be in church for three hours, coz jc gave his life and what what.
i had to stop myself from hollering 'happy zombie jesus day!!!!'
i still get remails from the boss tho, wonder how do i need to remind them of my belief-status. maybe tattoo a 666 on my pip for all to see?
i allready have the emo hair, wear black, piercings, tattoos....what more does a heathen need to do?!!
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 09:51:53 AM »

Lovely, I had to endure a prayer for the husband of one of the "tannies" in the office, he went to the mighty men farce over the weekend and has been crying over his sins since. She's at her wits end as to how to "ruk hom reg".

Maybe he would find a gift diverting. As discussed recently in another thread, one can't go wrong with a small, tasteful selection of fresh porn.

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 09:58:49 AM »

maybe, barely legal, volume 5: anal invaders.
shuld get the omie ready to rock and roll.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 10:18:08 AM »

i vomit quietly in my mouth.
LOL. I know that feeling...
wonder how do i need to remind them of my belief-status. maybe tattoo a 666 on my pip for all to see?
i allready have the emo hair, wear black, piercings, tattoos....what more does a heathen need to do?!!
I have recently embarked on a mission to see how far I can push them (quite fun, really) So I have started wearing T-Shirts with slogans like "come over to the dark side... we have cookies" and comparing the Mighty Bullshit conference to Oppikoppi. I'm sure they pray for me, but I haven't been reprimanded yet. Any ideas as to how I can continue with making them uncomfortable without getting fired? Suggestions will be appreciated  Evil
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 10:35:11 AM »

So I have started wearing T-Shirts with slogans like "come over to the dark side... we have cookies" and comparing the Mighty Bullshit conference to Oppikoppi. I'm sure they pray for me, but I haven't been reprimanded yet. Any ideas as to how I can continue with making them uncomfortable without getting fired? Suggestions will be appreciated  Evil
You could maybe wear a T-shirt that says, "Friendly Neighborhood Atheist" or "Imagine No Religion" or "No Gods, No Masters" or "I'm an atheist and that's that - Kathrine Hepburn". Hehe.
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« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 10:49:32 AM »

She's at her wits end as to how to "ruk hom reg".
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i allready have the emo hair, wear black, piercings, tattoos....what more does a heathen need to do?!!
Maybe your gothic appearance turns you into a do-gooder magnet because it scares them greatly.  With all that black, tell them you’re actually a reformed liberal Muslim and solemnly cite the Qur’an about killing the infidel.  That should scare them into silence.

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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 11:00:40 AM »

I have recently embarked on a mission to see how far I can push them (quite fun, really) So I have started wearing T-Shirts with slogans like "come over to the dark side... we have cookies" and comparing the Mighty Bullshit conference to Oppikoppi. I'm sure they pray for me, but I haven't been reprimanded yet. Any ideas as to how I can continue with making them uncomfortable without getting fired? Suggestions will be appreciated  Evil

I love pissing on batteries (figuratively spoken). I fit in beautifully in the corporate environment, do the whole professional thing quite professionally and conduct myself in a wholly xtian manner. Which confuses people greatly when they refer to me as "a perfect example of a good xtian woman" - to which I stolidly reply "I'm an atheist" - the facial expressions are wonderful to behold, the fumbling for words in their now jumbled and confused little minds springs forth in expressions of shock (awe?), horror, and at times pure disgust.  I love waiting out their next interaction with me, some simply cross the passage in case I'm catching, other's will attempt to commisserate and ask me what disappointment I endured that catapulted me to the dark side. Great fun all in all.

At home I'm just me. Tatoos and bike and all.... my Mother is probably the only person that has'nt given up praying for me, but I can live with that, she's my mom.  Grin

Sheesh, we atheists are a horrible lot, playing games with the sheeps...  Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 11:12:24 AM »

maybe we should start a thread, how to intimidte your co-workers to the dark side.

and btw, i happen to be a bit of a fundie on labour laws, and if they as much as give you a verbal warning, you can take them to the ccma.   they are not allowed to do squat regarding religion.  or lack thereof.  as long as you do your job, they cant as much as fart in your direction.  if the ladies have an issue about it, they can ask you to desist, co it upsets them, and affect office morale, and that's it.
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2010, 11:25:47 AM »

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..Which confuses people greatly when they refer to me as "a perfect example of a good xtian woman" - to which I stolidly reply "I'm an atheist" - the facial expressions are wonderful to behold, the fumbling for words in their now jumbled and confused little minds springs forth in expressions of shock (awe?), horror, and at times pure disgust...

That's how people think about me too.I'm often mistaken for a "good christian woman". I think it confuses them (and hopefully makes them think) because here is someone who can be good without god and his laws, they find it difficult to comprehend that a godless heathen can have morals.
I find it difficult to comprehend that people think like that.

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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2010, 11:30:36 AM »

Ghees luckily I opened this thread and read the replies in the privacy of my office, a ripper Grin
"Skerp, baie Skerp" Love it Wink

One would think that one would eventually learn when and where to open your mouth about what. My boss called us in this morning and asked that we pray for the souls of people not yet saved, because the ash cloud is clearly a sign of the end of the world...

Freekin hell they think it's the end of the world and just last night I thought of what the repercussions of
a Vulcano tripple that size would be (wtf!!)I usually make sure I’ve got my diary in front of me when they close their eyes and yap yap on in the prayer thingy, catch up on the last few days Quote for the day, much more inspiring!

Lovely, I had to endure a prayer for the husband of one of the "tannies" in the office, he went to the mighty men farce over the weekend and has been crying over his sins since. She's at her wits end as to how to "ruk hom reg".
Jir and this Tannie didn’t for one moment thought of “watse k@k die Omie droog gemaak het dat hy so stressed up isi” Ugh well maybe she would come by in a few months time!

Maybe your gothic appearance turns you into a do-gooder magnet because it scares them greatly.  With all that black, tell them you’re actually a reformed liberal Muslim and solemnly cite the Qur’an about killing the infidel.  That should scare them into silence.
Good idea, I thought of trying the Buddhist angle.
Although before telling them this, I would recommend a site: Best Jobs  Grin


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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2010, 11:48:10 AM »

i was thinking, rocking up in an orange toga doo-dabbie, with my sandalwood beads, chanting 'ram ram ram ramma ramma ram'.  and see their faces.  alltho, im a total freak, so i doubt they would expect anything less from me.
i share an office with the local lesbian, coz im the only one who can deal with the sex-talk and giggling over the phone.
and, i quite think, nobody else want to be too close, just in case my weirdness rubs off.
of parents, i no longer have any, i havent spoken to any family for over 6 months now, so im sure i've been scrapped off the prayer lists.  thanx bob for that.
luckily, my beau is faithless, as is his parents, his friends.... conversation is very refreshing.
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2010, 12:50:13 PM »

Close up of the volcano from space. Caption courtesy of Rebecca Watson



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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2010, 12:52:03 PM »

Eish... looks evil, I'm gonna mail that to a couple colleagues, bible study on Friday's gonna be interesting....  Evil
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2010, 14:08:35 PM »

Firstly, my apologies for briefly going back on topic  Smiley
last week I received a mail which looked like this:
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Hi

Be careful from the 20th to 28th of this month, There is possibility of an ACID RAIN. The dark circle appeared around the moon on 17th of last month and this is an indication of Acid Rain. Apparently this happens once in 750 years.

It rains like normally but It may cause skin cancer if you expose yourself to it.

So ALERT your dear ones. This information is from NASA.

DO NOT neglect. Plz Forward this to your friends, Better to be cautious than sorry.

I prompty replied to the sender that it's a hoax. Now the ash will make acid rain? Aai-bo.
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2010, 14:12:31 PM »

shit, win for the woo-woos.
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2010, 14:25:35 PM »

Be careful from the 20th to 28th of this month, There is possibility of an ACID RAIN.
Acid rian refers to any precipitation that has an acidic pH. Hence, there is kinda always a possibility of acid rain, and most people you know have probably danced in it...
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The dark circle appeared around the moon on 17th of last month and this is an indication of Acid Rain. Apparently this happens once in 750 years.
Hahahaha! I would love to know where the knob got this from...

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It rains like normally but It may cause skin cancer if you expose yourself to it. So ALERT your dear ones. This information is from NASA. DO NOT neglect. Plz Forward this to your friends, Better to be cautious than sorry.

Dude, we do not really know what causes skin cancer, do we? What would NASA know about skin cancer anyways  Tongue or, frankly, about acid rain? the last time I checked, NASA was all about space-stuff?

This whole - "stay inside that day, better to be safe than sorry" shit makes it sound like they are planning to rob a bank or something and this is an elaborate hoax to get the security guard to call in sick that day...  Undecided
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2010, 14:34:52 PM »

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It rains like normally but It may cause skin cancer if you expose yourself to it.

It’s still a hoax, and the above-cited is it.  Dust and other contaminants in the upper atmosphere can change the appearance of celestial objects, but, at worst, being exposed to acid rain will cause mild skin irritation.  The pH of acid rain isn’t low enough to cause acid burns on skin, let alone cancer, because it’s far cry from, say, dipping someone in a vat of battery acid.  The thing about acid rain that kills vegetation isn’t its corrosiveness.  It’s the repeated falling of acid rain that changes the soil’s pH, which plants are very sensitive to, and the leaching out of certain nutrients.

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