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« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2010, 19:25:20 PM »

Here's an idea. We start a website www.burnamillionqurans.co.za or something where South Africans can upload pictures and videos of Qurans on fire, preferably performed in scenic South African locations.

Problem is that they will kill you for doing this.
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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2010, 19:36:24 PM »

Tweefo is right - who knows what such an initiative might precipitate. I'm to sh!t scared to try tricks like that. I'm kinda sentimental about my own life. After I die, I just know that I won't be treated to an afterlife. Or a virgin. Sigh. Undecided

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« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2010, 19:53:40 PM »

Problem is that they will kill you for doing this.

How about a Facebook group then or something? Does YouTube have groups?
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« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2010, 20:01:25 PM »

Tweefo is right - who knows what such an initiative might precipitate. I'm to sh!t scared to try tricks like that. I'm kinda sentimental about my own life. After I die, I just know that I won't be treated to an afterlife. Or a virgin. Sigh. Undecided

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Surely there are more anonymous ways of doing this on the internet. All we have to show in the pictures or videos is some recognisably South African landscape and a burning Quran. No individuals need be named.
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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2010, 20:16:10 PM »

My suggestion would be to do something which points out the absurdity of making the burning of religious books illegal.

Not sure what that would be, but a symbolic burning of something innocuous and rational, like a huge pile of science or math text books, or
copies of "A Brief History of Time", "The God Delusion", "God Is Not Good" etc would

a) be within the letter of the law (assuming books about atheism are not classified as "religious books!")

b) demonstrate that atheists do not blindly worship books or their authors in the way that the religious do

c) poke fun at the religious in an unagressive way - heck, we could invite them to participate

d) be less likely to result in death threats

e) benefit the publishers of the books - maybe they'd be up for sponsorships?

How about November 5th?

  
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« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2010, 20:25:26 PM »

b) demonstrate that atheists do not blindly worship books or their authors in the way that the religious do

I  would hate to put fire to any book. There is something barbaric about burning a distillation of somebody else's thoughts. I don't think there are any books that deserve burning. Although there are plenty of 'em not worth reading!

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« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2010, 20:35:57 PM »

@maturin

Uh, no. I get pissed off when Muslim lawyers burn the American flag, I'll admit it. That's why I have no desire to burn the Bible, except perhaps if I run out of Rizla, because Christians haven't tried to make laws against doing so in hundreds of years.
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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2010, 21:03:57 PM »

Book publishers destroy thousands upon thousands of books a year by pulping or burning. It's estimated that between 25% and 50% of all the books that are printed end up being destroyed.

http://www.askdavetaylor.com/what_percentage_of_books_printed_end_up_destroyed.html

On the other hand, I agree that deliberately burning books to make a point could be seen as barbaric.

Perhaps we could just call it off at the last minute?

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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2010, 21:26:55 PM »

Perhaps we could just call it off at the last minute?

LOL But as Dawkins says, no-one respects a dishonest seducer. I say stick with the original plan, burn millions of Qurans as quickly as possible all over the world, but especially in South Africa. Hopefully the shock will desensitise them.
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« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2010, 07:06:33 AM »

I won't be joining any Quran/Bible burning party, but anyone who wants to so shouldn't be stopped:
http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2010-09-15-books-and-beliefs-and-other-burning-issues
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« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2010, 07:31:25 AM »

b) demonstrate that atheists do not blindly worship books or their authors in the way that the religious do

I  would hate to put fire to any book. There is something barbaric about burning a distillation of somebody else's thoughts. I don't think there are any books that deserve burning.
Mintaka  

I agree, book burning is barbaric.
As to the bolded part, you "think" thoughts do not exist, neither in distilled form or otherwise, so I find your objection a bit thoughtless Tongue Cheesy.
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« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2010, 08:10:33 AM »

I  would hate to put fire to any book. There is something barbaric about burning a distillation of somebody else's thoughts. I don't think there are any books that deserve burning. Although there are plenty of 'em not worth reading!
Well said mintaka although I admit to fully understanding Peter Grant here. After hearing the Judge's verdict I felt books had to be burnt to make the point myself. I think Peter will have to burn bibles as well though as not to seem biased. The protest is for people being able to do with their property what they want and not an attack on Islam / Xtianity. (though of course it will be seen as such anyway)

I thought of a youtube movie where one is seen giving money to a shop for a "holy" book, then burning a "you" magazine or the newspaper and then the bible / quran you paid for. But actually doing it, I just don't have that drive  Undecided

I guess I'll wait to see what our constitutional court will say. Perhaps sanity will prevail.

That being said, not quite sure if this goes any further now as the protagonist won't argue against the verdict. He had his moment in the sun and has seen the light.
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« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2010, 09:48:36 AM »

We atheists are so quick to complain people see us as vile and despicable when they find out we don't follow Jeeeebus. Going out and burning their holy books wholesale won't do much for our public image.

I DO like the idea of us burning our own literature. At least it shows that we REALLY mean it when we say burning books is arbitrary, it won't lend credence to the view that it's a "symbolic" act that can incite. (Like, say, a bunch of atheists specifically burning holy books)
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« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2010, 10:11:17 AM »

I DO like the idea of us burning our own literature. At least it shows that we REALLY mean it when we say burning books is arbitrary, it won't lend credence to the view that it's a "symbolic" act that can incite. (Like, say, a bunch of atheists specifically burning holy books)
I would hate to burn a book. Don't really see myself going through with it. Not sure if I would even be able to burn the bible, and I think its a load of bullshit. But I like the idea too of taking steps that cannot offend the religious nuts (have to admit, they do scare me a little  Embarrassed
We can make it even less arbitrary if we add a braai to the event, then, at least, the fires aren't for nothing  Cheesy
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« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2010, 12:49:28 PM »

@Jacques

Great article! Grin

@cyghost

I'll burn the Bible the moment Christian lawyers start fucking with our rights.

@everyone

OK, so who's got a spare Quran lying about?
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