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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2011, 17:20:09 PM »

Great, I was going to do my bit for atheist demographics. Now I can't.  Sad
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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2011, 07:37:11 AM »

Yup, but since there's no race classification board, your race is what you say it is.  I can call myself black and according to the constitution no one is permitted to contradict me.

If this is true, then it could instantly solve many companies' BBBBBBBBBEEEEEEE requirements! Also, by handing in my gun and badge as a member of the "non-designated group", I could vastly improve my career opportunities .... interesting possibility! Smiley

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2011, 07:42:09 AM »

Yup, but since there's no race classification board, your race is what you say it is.  I can call myself black and according to the constitution no one is permitted to contradict me.

If this is true, then it could instantly solve many a companies' BBBBBBBBBEEEEEEE requirements! Also, by handing in my gun and badge as a member of the "non-designated group", I could vastly improve my career opportunities .... interesting possibility! Smiley

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That's what they do at the Free Market Foundation.  Each year they classify all their staff as a different race.  So this year, they're all black, next year they're all Indian and so on.  No one can say them nay because it's unconstitutional to do so.  Other companies just don't have the balls to stand up and do the same.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2011, 08:45:02 AM »

Yup, but since there's no race classification board, your race is what you say it is.  I can call myself black and according to the constitution no one is permitted to contradict me.

Um, yes - that's basically the topic of the column.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2011, 20:21:48 PM »

I'm not going to participate.I'm a private citizen and wish to remain as such. My income, level of education, living conditions etc... are my private business and government doesn't have any right to collect this information.
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2011, 09:27:16 AM »

I'm not going to participate.I'm a private citizen and wish to remain as such. My income, level of education, living conditions etc... are my private business and government doesn't have any right to collect this information.

Bulldust. The government has as much right to collect your income information as they have to prosecute and imprison you for not paying the correct income tax, pretty much by definition.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 10:59:54 AM »

I'm not going to participate.I'm a private citizen and wish to remain as such. My income, level of education, living conditions etc... are my private business and government doesn't have any right to collect this information.

Bulldust. The government has as much right to collect your income information as they have to prosecute and imprison you for not paying the correct income tax, pretty much by definition.



They're pretty much satisfied with number of people and their ages living with you.  We didnt complete anything else and they attempted to pursue the matter but not with much conviction. I also didnt supply any ID numbers. They left within 5/10 minutes. I suspect they complete it at their own leisure and imagination elsewhere anyway, its done in pencil to boot.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2011, 11:05:28 AM »

I'm not going to participate.I'm a private citizen and wish to remain as such. My income, level of education, living conditions etc... are my private business and government doesn't have any right to collect this information.

Bulldust. The government has as much right to collect your income information as they have to prosecute and imprison you for not paying the correct income tax, pretty much by definition.


They're pretty much satisfied with number of people and their ages living with you.  We didnt complete anything else and they attempted to pursue the matter but not with much conviction. I also didnt supply any ID numbers. They left within 5/10 minutes. I suspect they complete it at their own leisure and imagination elsewhere anyway, its done in pencil to boot.

They came on Saturday to my place.  I had people around for lunch, so I told them to leave the form, I'd fill it in and they could come back yesterday to pick it up.  I filled it in after my guests left (I was pretty wasted by that time, so I can't remember what the questions were, but I don't recall anything about ID numbers).  Needless to say, they didn't come and fetch it.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2011, 13:09:23 PM »

Yup, but since there's no race classification board, your race is what you say it is.  I can call myself black and according to the constitution no one is permitted to contradict me.

If this is true, then it could instantly solve many a companies' BBBBBBBBBEEEEEEE requirements!
That's what they do at the Free Market Foundation.  Each year they classify all their staff as a different race.  So this year, they're all black, next year they're all Indian and so on.  No one can say them nay because it's unconstitutional to do so.  Other companies just don't have the balls to stand up and do the same.
My company does exactly that, but it has nothing to do with 'balls' and everything to do with getting government contracts (which we wouldn't get if the BBBBBEEEEE stuff didn't look good). Seriously, the gardener at my office is 'classified' as a 'consultant' because it makes the company look better, and I think that counts as a simple lie, and I don't approve. Census data is not only used by the Government for (actually I have no idea what they do with the info...) We use it often in Social Impact Assessments to try and predetermine the need and desirability of infrastructure upgrades or specific types (and yes, income classes) of residential developments and the like.
Nobody has been to my place yet (that I know of, I'm hardly ever home) but I think this is important information to have available and after the cock-up of Census 2006 its about time that accurate social data is collected so that decision-makers and investors know what is needed where.
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« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2011, 09:49:23 AM »

Really???

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Cape Town - An increasing number of South Africans are refusing to be counted in the census and could face jail time or a heavy fine.

Stats SA has now applied for court permission to enforce the provisions of the Statistics Act, the TimesLive reported on Friday.

Census 2011 runs from October 10 to 31 and citizens have to answer all questions put to them. If they refuse to comply, they could face a R10 000 fine or six months imprisonment.


http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Census-2011-Be-counted-or-jailed-20111021


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« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2011, 09:57:45 AM »

Statistics Act, 1999
http://www.statssa.gov.za/about_statssa/statistics_act.asp

(2) Any person who—
(a) impersonates an officer of Statistics South Africa for the purpose of obtaining information from any person or body; or
(b) represents himself or herself to be making an entry and inspection in terms of section 15 or putting a question in terms of section 16(1) when he or she is not an officer of Statistics South Africa authorised in terms of section 15 or 16, as the case may be, is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding R10 000, or such higher amount as is determined from time to time by the Minister of Justice as contemplated in section 1(1)(a) of the Adjustment of Fines Act, 1991, or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding six months or to both such fine and such imprisonment.
(3) Any individual other than an employee of an organ of state, business or other organisation that—
(a) fails to answer a question put in terms of section 16(2)(a) or furnishes an answer to such a question which is false or misleading in any material respect, knowing the answer to be false or misleading;
(b) fails to furnish information or sign a declaration in terms of section 16(2)(b) or furnishes such information which is false or misleading in any material respect, knowing the information to be false or misleading;
(c) incites any other person to act as contemplated in paragraph (a) or (b);
(d) refuses—
(i) the Statistician-General or any authorised officer of Statistics South Africa, acting in terms of section 15, entry on any land or premises; or
(ii) to permit the Statistician-General or that authorised officer to inspect anything on or in that land or premises;
(e) wilfully obstructs the Statistician-General or any officer of Statistics South
Africa in the exercise of a power, or the performance of a duty, in terms of this Act, is guilty of an offence and liable on conviction—
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(i) in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding R10 000, or such higher amount as is determined from time to time by the Minister of Justice as contemplated in section 1(1)(a) of the Adjustment of Fines Act, 1991, or to imprisonment for a period not exceeding six months or to both such fine and such imprisonment; and
(ii) in the case of a business or other organisation, to a fine not exceeding R20 000 or an amount determined by the Minister from time to time by notice in the Gazette.
(4) (a) A conviction of an offence referred to in subsection (3)(a) or (b) does not relieve any individual, business or other organisation of the obligation to supply the correct information.
(b) If after 14 days from the date of sentencing for that offence, the information has still not been furnished, that individual, business or other organisation is guilty of a further offence and liable on conviction for each day after the expiry of that 14 day period—
(i) in the case of an individual, to a fine not exceeding R500 or an amount determined by the Minister from time to time by notice in the Gazette; or
(ii) in the case of a business or other organisation, to a fine not exceeding R2 000 or an amount determined by the Minister by notice in the Gazette.
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« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2011, 10:02:16 AM »

I was being sarcastic, but never mind, I didnt add the smiley.

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« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2011, 10:12:34 AM »

well, i had thought they could kiss my ass, but seems, the law has got us but the short and curlies
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« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2011, 10:19:26 AM »

well, i had thought they could kiss my ass, but seems, the law has got us but the short and curlies

What gets my goat though, is that the infamous Sunday rapist received a suspended sentence of three years for rape and went on a raping (and eventual murdering) spree on the Sundays he was supposed to do community service. Yet... yet, they'll lock us up for 6 months, which will effectively ensure we'd lose our jobs, and they'll lose valuable tax money in the process and we'd STILL not be counted (because we wont be living at that particular property anymore, now would we?).  WTF!!

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« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2011, 11:00:56 AM »

I was censused last night - relatively painless process and over in 15 minutes. And nothing I wanted to object to.
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