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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2011, 11:16:11 AM »

Participating in the census isn’t mandatory at present in SA.
I stand duly corrected.

If you’re reluctant to divulge information and/or confronted over unanswered census questions, you are fully within your rights in resorting to what is called “conditional acceptance” where you agree in principle to do as is requested of you but first they need to address satisfactorily some of your concerns and questions in the interests of full disclosure.  Be firm but polite in that if they provide you with satisfactory answers, you will happily meet their request for information.

It’s best to have a printed sheet with your questions on it leading with a short paragraph describing that you are exercising your right of conditional acceptance and that you are entitled to full disclosure before participating.  Your questions could include—
  • Why do they need your name and ID number for the purposes of counting you?  What do these details have to do with demographics?
  • Is the census a type of contract?  If so, what are its terms and conditions?  What is the consideration the census taker brings to this contract?
  • Exactly which agencies will have access to census data, either in raw or in abstract form?  And to what level of detail will your information be made available to these agencies?
  • Are census data used for anything other, however seemingly trivial, than evaluating current demographics?  If so, what are these purposes?  In particular, does the government in any way use census data for the procurement of other goods or services?
  • Are your rights limited only to those that the government grants you, or do you have some natural human rights?  Why does the census violate your natural human right to refuse an answer?

With a bit of thought, you can come up with several other questions that are awkward (but not unreasonable!) and which the census official won’t know the answer to.

It’s likely that they have neither the resources nor the perseverance to go along with you, and you are fully protected against repercussions because you didn’t refuse or mislead or wilfully obstruct the census taker.  Chances are you won’t hear from them again.

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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2011, 13:01:27 PM »

Chances are you won’t hear from them again.
I took the form and filled it in myself.  They were supposed to come and fetch it.  I haven't heard from them again.
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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2011, 13:46:51 PM »

the whole census process irks me because of the following:
dont i have the right to privacy?  the cops need a warrant to enter your home, why do the census okes just get to come in at will?
how about religion, what if a muslim woman, for argument's sake, arent allowed to let a strange man into her home?  what then?
how about if i dont feel comfortable letting strangers in my home, say i have been attacked or raped, and i have a phobia?
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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2011, 13:49:37 PM »

the whole census process irks me because of the following:
dont i have the right to privacy?  the cops need a warrant to enter your home, why do the census okes just get to come in at will?
how about religion, what if a muslim woman, for argument's sake, arent allowed to let a strange man into her home?  what then?
how about if i dont feel comfortable letting strangers in my home, say i have been attacked or raped, and i have a phobia?

You don't have to let them into your home.  You can either stand outside in the street and fill the form in there, or you can ask for the form to fill in yourself, and arrange for them to pick it up later.
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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2011, 13:56:30 PM »

why cant they send it to you via mail?  like, sars can send you the forms or whatever.  they send you spam bullshit.
also, why cant they send it to your postbox?  it's compulsory to submit your tax forms now, so why cant they just do the same for census?
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2011, 14:01:39 PM »

why cant they send it to you via mail?  like, sars can send you the forms or whatever.  they send you spam bullshit.
also, why cant they send it to your postbox?  it's compulsory to submit your tax forms now, so why cant they just do the same for census?
Because they are too stupid, incompetent or drunk to think of it.  I was in the UK for the 2000 census and they posted the form to you, you filled it in and dropped into the nearest mailbox, postage paid.  No problem.  If you couldn't understand it, or there was some other problem they would send someone along to assist.
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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2011, 14:11:40 PM »

If you couldn't understand [the census questionnaire]…
I suspect this is the actual reason it’s done so cumbersomely here.  Apart from the logistical nightmare of distributing and collecting the forms especially in rural areas, comprehension failure is endemic to this country.  Firsthand experience has shown that even the census officials aren’t immune from debilitating cognitive defects in the very thing they were supposedly trained for.

Ultimately it’s a sad reflection of this country’s miserable-and-ever-worsening education system.

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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2011, 14:24:27 PM »

The Swiss (who else!) has got it down to an art-form:

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Starting in 2010, the census will cease to be conducted through written questionnaires distributed nationwide. Instead, data in existing population registers will be used. That data will be supplemented with a biannual questionnaire sample of 200,000 people as well as regular microcensuses.[4] The motivation for this change was financial, as the full census created costs for the federation of the order of CHF 100 million.


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Collected data includes population data (citizenship, place of residence, place of birth, position in household, number of children, religion, languages, education, profession, place of work, etc.), household data (number of individuals living in the household, etc.), accommodation data (surface area, amount of rent paid, etc.) and building data (geocoordinates, time of construction, number of floors, etc.). Participation is compulsory and reached 99.87% of the population in 2000.[3]



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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2011, 13:07:58 PM »

Random question - but I haven't been counted yet (I really am hardly ever at home...)
I have no problem participating in census.
What if October 31 arrives and they skipped me  Cry
Is there somebody I can call to make me feel a little less left out...?
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2011, 17:20:07 PM »

Random question - but I haven't been counted yet (I really am hardly ever at home...)
I have no problem participating in census.
What if October 31 arrives and they skipped me  Cry
Is there somebody I can call to make me feel a little less left out...?
Also the case with me. I DEMAND to be counted!
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2011, 07:32:09 AM »

Random question - but I haven't been counted yet (I really am hardly ever at home...)
I have no problem participating in census.
What if October 31 arrives and they skipped me  Cry
Is there somebody I can call to make me feel a little less left out...?
Also the case with me. I DEMAND to be counted!

Call 0800 110 248 - they can tell you when they're getting to your area.
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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2011, 09:45:32 AM »

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Call 0800 110 248 - they can tell you when they're getting to your area.
We are in South Africa. Here we demand lots of things, but you can not just ask for it. You have to take a day of work, toi toi, break a few windows, block the highway and maybe have a full blown riot. Get with the program - a telephone call, are you nuts? I see the Gautrain bus drivers are on a sympathy strike, now they understand it
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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2011, 11:12:25 AM »

i was stuck like an ass at sandton station today.  believe me, i was ready to gooi a rock through a bus window after sitting in the sun for an hour.
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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2011, 14:45:58 PM »

I happened to be at home today, and the census worker came wandering past. Fairly painless experience, but I could have lied my ass off if I felt like it. Wasn't anything too invasive, except for what is in the house and the monthly income.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2011, 12:11:38 PM »

Call 0800 110 248 - they can tell you when they're getting to your area.
Thanks I will give them a call and report back  Smiley
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