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« Reply #315 on: April 04, 2018, 12:29:25 PM »

Justice Project SA is at present apparently preparing a media release/advisory in which they will debunk the claim that one may lose one’s driver’s licence owing to outstanding e-Toll fees.  Their communiqué should become available a little later today.  It will be most interesting to see what they say about the issue.

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« Reply #316 on: April 04, 2018, 12:32:46 PM »

Sheesh! Next they'll be going around ripping the eyeballs out of those who don't pay their TV licences....
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« Reply #317 on: April 04, 2018, 12:49:41 PM »

What we may well end up seeing is thousands upon thousands of people simply driving without a license. I'm sure that will make our roads so much safer.

Business as usual then.

Now that might make for an interesting experiment. It is generally assumed that the legal requirement for a license makes for safer roads. It makes perfect sense that it does too, but does it in fact? Has this ever actually been tested? Perhaps we are about to test it. :-)

As someone who has been driven around middle Africa I assure you: It's a bad idea.
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« Reply #318 on: April 04, 2018, 12:50:26 PM »

Sheesh! Next they'll be going around ripping the eyeballs out of those who don't pay their TV licences....

SSSHHHHHHHH! You're giving them ideas!
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« Reply #319 on: April 05, 2018, 09:03:27 AM »

Here’s JPSA’s write-up on the e-Toll/licence matter.  The short of it is that in their current form, the proposed AARTO amendments appear to be unconstitutional; that AARTO currently applies to only ±9% of SA’s registered vehicles; and that there isn’t a single precedent where SANRAL has ever charged anyone for “disobeying a road traffic sign” in the context of the e-Toll system.

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« Reply #320 on: April 05, 2018, 10:22:26 AM »

Two articles in today’s Citizen (linkies: first and second) analyse the effects and implications of the proposed AARTO amendments.  They are both well worth a read.

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« Reply #321 on: July 24, 2018, 13:58:07 PM »

They just keep saying it, but here we still are.
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« Reply #322 on: July 24, 2018, 14:52:05 PM »

That article gets a basic fact wrong—or at least isn’t totally clear on it.  It’s the Gauteng ANC’s PEC that’s now pushing for the scrapping of e-Steal, not the ANC as a whole.  The PEC will no doubt need the NEC’s buy-in before anything can happen.  Don’t expect that to happen anytime soon.

Also, SANRAL and its various toady mouthpieces keep telling us that the e-Theft compliance rate is in the 20% to 25% bracket.  What they’re keeping stumm about is that that fraction is calculated on the basis of amount owed, not per capita.  This is immediately clear from their financial statements.  It’s a few big entities that rack up hefty bills that are paying.  Per-capita compliance is therefore probably closer to half or less of the cited figure.

Oh, and SANRAL is now allegedly spending about the same amount on collections, including litigation, as what they collect.  The bracing sanity of this little state of affairs is truly impressive.

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« Reply #323 on: July 30, 2018, 13:02:07 PM »

I have it on reliable authority that TMT Services has just handed over more than 650,000 non-paying accounts to Transaction Capital Recoveries for collection.  The total face value of the accounts is allegedly close to R1.5-billion.  It’s not entirely clear if the accounts are for unpaid traffic fines or e-Fraud, or both.  Appearances suggest that they’re more likely to be unpaid fines.

So, if you owe the authorities any money for fines or e-Pilfer, expect to be badgered very much more intensely in the next few weeks:  More SMSes, e-mails, and phone calls are the standard tack.

If they’re unpaid e-Fleece accounts, this could mark a desperate last-ditch effort to collect more.

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« Reply #324 on: July 30, 2018, 13:11:31 PM »

So, if you owe the authorities any money for fines or e-Pilfer, expect to be badgered very much more intensely in the next few weeks:  More SMSes, e-mails, and phone calls are the standard tack.

If they’re unpaid e-Fleece accounts, this could mark a desperate last-ditch effort to collect more.

If that happens my small OUTA investments may pay off after all.
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« Reply #325 on: July 31, 2018, 06:14:10 AM »

It’s not entirely clear if the accounts are for unpaid traffic fines or e-Fraud, or both.
They are indeed unpaid traffic fines only, specifically from the Northern Cape and Western Cape provinces.

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« Reply #326 on: October 02, 2018, 07:08:14 AM »

And the saga continues.  https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/e-toll-legal-action-targets-minority-of-non-payers-17287946
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« Reply #327 on: March 27, 2019, 16:36:50 PM »

Sanral suspends collections.
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« Reply #328 on: September 02, 2019, 10:06:06 AM »

Now here is a scheme so diabolical, I'm kinda wondering why I never thought about it first. I bet R1000 that, if taken forward, this will be the biggest case of bait-and-switch we've ever seen in this country.
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« Reply #329 on: September 02, 2019, 11:29:06 AM »

I doubt the majority of Gauteng’s motorists will fall for this gambit.  SANRAL and the transport ministry have proved themselves to be too disingenuous, too often, for people to start believing that they’ve genuinely developed real goodwill.  It’s what happens when such agencies are the centrepieces of a long-standing and ongoing crisis of legitimacy.

Another proposal that allegedly was mooted was to use the provisions of the AARTO Act, once promulgated, to fine non-payers and issue demerit points for “failing to obey a road traffic sign.”  Go figure.  The constitutionality of the AARTO Act is very much in question here because it seems to violate (1) presumption of innocence (under AARTO, the authorities aren’t required to prove an accused’s guilt, and any disputes are to be settled by a purportedly “independent” traffic offences tribunal), and (2) the burden-of-proof question, specifically on whom it rests.  Moreover, there’s the jarring fact that if you are caught speeding, or failing to stop at a stop street/red light, then those will be the offences with which you will be charged, not with “failing to obey a road traffic sign.”  Even if the decision-makers are perverse enough—and I wouldn’t put it past them—to implement such a strategy, the likeliest consequence thereof will be to drive more Gauteng motorists into lawlessness.

As for their tedious harping on about their much-vaunted “user pays” principle, it’s a ruse and a sham.  16-million social grants, 2-million households receiving free electricity and water, plus one giggling ex-president’s excessively appointed homestead shout stridently against its uniform application, and thoroughly destroy the notion that it’s a principle at all.

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