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« Reply #90 on: September 05, 2014, 15:26:31 PM »

I am of opinion that everyone knows that God does exist
I don't know that God exists, and neither does my granny. Therefore, not everyone knows that God exists.
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« Reply #91 on: September 05, 2014, 15:30:42 PM »

I am of opinion that everyone knows that God does exist and will hold them accountable for things they have done. They do not like the idea that they will be accountable for their actions and the fact that there are absolutes. You can only be free once you accept Jesus in your life, otherwise you'll be a slave to the world...

I am of the opinion that everyone knows that Zeus does exist and will smite them with his lightning bolts. But people do not like the idea that he will smite them with his lightning bolts. So they deny his existence. You can only be free from lightning bolt smitings once you accept Zeus as your personal olympian overlord. Otherwise you'll be a slave to lightning bolt smitings...
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« Reply #92 on: September 05, 2014, 15:36:32 PM »

Really? Your genius is showing.
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« Reply #93 on: September 05, 2014, 15:42:19 PM »

If religion is defined as a set of believes... what is Atheism?
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« Reply #94 on: September 05, 2014, 15:45:58 PM »

Presumably the opposite: not a set of beliefs? Undecided
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« Reply #95 on: September 05, 2014, 15:59:12 PM »

Your genius is showing.


2 posts and you hit your first logical fallacy. Well done!

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what is Atheism?


A cursory look at wikipedia would answer your question:

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Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
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« Reply #96 on: September 05, 2014, 16:05:38 PM »

Zeus has smoten me with a +1! All hail mighty Zeus!
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« Reply #97 on: September 05, 2014, 16:06:01 PM »

Atheists "believe" He does not exist, you cannot prove He does not exist.
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« Reply #98 on: September 05, 2014, 16:08:46 PM »

… you cannot prove [God] does not exist.
Oops, that’s logical fallacy No. 2.

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« Reply #99 on: September 05, 2014, 16:11:27 PM »

… you cannot prove [God] does not exist.
Oops, that’s logical fallacy No. 2.
Yup, and it's a howler.
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« Reply #100 on: September 05, 2014, 16:13:38 PM »

Atheists do not believe he/she/it does exist. This is different to believing that he/she/it's existence is impossible. Atheists do not believe gods are impossible. We have simply seen no evidence for any.

We know we cannot prove that any of the thousands of gods/overlords/monsters/demons/angels/lizzard-aliens ... do not exist. It is impossible because these concepts are not falsifiable.

We also know nobody believing in any of the above can prove their particular flavour of overlord does exist.
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« Reply #101 on: September 05, 2014, 16:20:55 PM »

So in effect it is stalemate.
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« Reply #102 on: September 05, 2014, 16:27:54 PM »

No.

Prove:

a) A deity exists
b) That deity is all powerful
c) That deity created the universe
d) That deity matches up to what you specifically define as "god".

And we'll switch. But you can't. You could probably not even get past point (a).

The other part of the point is that your argument is entirely inconsistent. Why do you believe in god but not in Zeus? The arguments for both are exactly the same. As is what you (not me) would call the "evidence" for your god.
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« Reply #103 on: September 05, 2014, 16:29:01 PM »

Atheists "believe" [God] does not exist…
I’m sure there are some that do.  But if you think about it a little, you may realise that rejecting a proposition on the grounds that it is ill-supported and highly improbable is not the same thing as writing it off with absolute certainty.  I’m sure you strongly doubt the existence of The Grinch, but you can’t assert its non-existence with 100% certitude — or if you think you can, feel free to explain how.

So in effect it is stalemate.
Oops, that’s logical fallacy No. 3.

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« Reply #104 on: September 05, 2014, 16:29:54 PM »

So in effect it is stalemate.
Only if you think that the chances of an untestable, poorly defined, paradoxical, magical unmoved mover existing are around 50:50. Personally, I don't think it's quite that high.

... The Grinch, but you can’t assert its non-existence with 100% certitude
Blasphemer! Just because his heart is two sizes too small doesn't mean he doesn't exist! He's just gotta take it easy a bit when climbing his mountain... Angry
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