Religion in Public schools

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Mefiante (September 28, 2009, 23:13:55 PM):
No doubt that such will be the reaction from many quarters but don’t you think it would present an opportunity to put the veracity of the [select appropriate “holy” book] more directly into public scrutiny?

The faithful will in any case believe whatever they believe, irrespective of how powerful an argument one presents them with. The whole point of the exercise would be a bit more subtle, namely to cast increasing doubt on the implicit assumption that religion is somehow exempt from more usual standards of proof and also that it somehow deserves a host of special favours. I think that once a message of this sort – viz. that religious dogma isn’t unassailable – begins to be spread, a very large part of the edifice will have been quite seriously undermined.

'Luthon64
BoogieMonster (September 28, 2009, 23:33:51 PM):
Absolutely. I'm glad this is becoming a hot topic. The hotter the better.

I'm simply saying that holding logic up to a lot of these people isn't going to phase them one bit.

Here's an angle I've long held as a basic counter argument against religious indoctrination, for a secular state, that I believe even a religious person has to take seriously....

The christians themselves were once subject to these things. They were persecuted by the Romans and many were executed for simply owning a bible, or spreading non-roman religion, including the people claiming to be the son(s) of god. Another example is the killing of all jewish boys in an attempt to prevent the "jewish king" (Jesus) from rising to power. (All history according to the bible) Another would be the holocaust, and so forth. In those times, it would've been the religious saying "We want freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom to raise our children as we see fit, we don't need the state to dictate to us our beliefs", and so forth. These are principles many christians have died for over thousands of years.

Therefore for a christian to promote these things, is in itself a justification for someone else to do the same again at some future point in time, to them. It is justifying the exact same behaviour in the past by those who wished to oppress them.

But, unfortunately, even such an argument will simply be dismissed by a lot of people as "Well, we're right, they're wrong". And that makes me sad. :'(
Rigil Kent (October 11, 2009, 17:48:35 PM):
Watch Fokus on SABC2 at 18:30 tonight. Freek Robinson looks at religion in schools.

Mintaka
Tweefo (October 11, 2009, 19:20:31 PM):
The christians themselves were once subject to these things. They were persecuted by the Romans and many were executed for simply owning a bible, or spreading non-roman religion, including the people claiming to be the son(s) of god.

Is this not human nature? Pedophiles were often abused as children, bullies were bullied and the oppressed often became the oppressor (Zanu-PF in Zim)
Mefiante (October 11, 2009, 22:18:04 PM):
Watch Fokus on SABC2 at 18:30 tonight. Freek Robinson looks at religion in schools.
Oh, it was completely dreadful, a travesty and a mere shadow of what should have come out! The central question about religious precepts’ validity or value wasn’t even touched on. Instead, we were treated to a facile Ping-Pong match of “the law says this” and “the constitution says that” and “school governing bodies must have their say.”

But here’s a thought: Suppose a school’s governing body decides, based on the fact that most of its pupils’ parents happen to follow those teachings, to institute formal instruction of Anton LaVey’s Satanism (which isn’t anywhere as bad as it sounds). Would there not be a widespread and clamorous outcry? Or suppose a school decides to teach astrology not as a historical curio, but as a perfectly valid and useful life skill simply because many children’s parents believe in it. Must we bow to those whims also? Where exactly does it end?

No, it was total crap and this farce underscored – once again – how unconsciously pervasive the idea is that religion automatically deserves special favours.

We’re all in trouble.

'Luthon64

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