Religion in Public schools

(1/5) > >>

bluegray (September 22, 2009, 11:21:24 AM):
via http://twitter.com/skepticsa
http://www.skeptic.co.za/content/view/215/1/
Jane of the Jungle (September 22, 2009, 12:36:38 PM):
Quote
The National Policy on Religion in Education encompasses the following broad principles, and any school and principal or teacher ignoring or contravening these regulations, are guilty of contravening the National Education Act.

•A public (state) school must be secular and may not pursue and force down a religious ethos;

•A school may not practise the religious apartheid of our past but should rather advance integration of the community at large;

•Reading from the Bible (or any other religious holy book) and praying in general class-time is illegal;

•Sectarian teaching of a specific religion is illegal and a majority adherence of one religion may not lead to the exclusion of other religions or a secular world view.

AS IF this is happening in South Africa, it would be interesting to know how many schools keeps by this policy?

Quote
Recently a group of parents at Baysville Spesiale Skool in East London complained to me as director of Sceptic South Africa that regular “altar calls” are held every Friday morning. It is virtually compulsory for children to attend these and Monday and Friday gatherings in the school hall where Christian evangelism is preached to them. Children refusing to attend, are naturally seen as outcasts and treated as such.

This is exactly what I am also scared of, my kid being treated like an outcast! How in hell can a so called "christian" teachers allow this in a school!!! They teach kids to be kind to each other, but allow this ???

Quote
Statistics show that atheists are a dying breed

"But I wouldn't want to live in a world without atheists – if I was Julian Baggini I’d be trying to get Guardian readers to breed more to ensure the world in 50 year’s time isn’t populated entirely by religious crackpots of various shades."

So what are we waiting for ;D (Government subsidies of 180 bucks p/m per kid, won't do it for me though::))
Mefiante (September 22, 2009, 13:37:23 PM):
It gets worse.

'Luthon64
st0nes (September 22, 2009, 13:43:12 PM):
Quote
•Reading from the Bible (or any other religious holy book) and praying in general class-time is illegal;
AS IF this is happening in South Africa, it would be interesting to know how many schools keeps by this policy?
Note that it says "in general class-time", so they can proselytise as much as they like in school assembly or at any time outside class-time. I don't think they can make it compulsory to attnd, though.
Quote
This is exactly what I am also scared of, my kid being treated like an outcast! How in hell can a so called "christian" teachers allow this in a school!!! They teach kids to be kind to each other, but allow this ???
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that "Christian" is a synonym for "kind", "loving", "tolerant" and so on. History shows us that it isn't. the Christian teachers will do their utmost to convert your children, thus expanding their power-base.

Quote
Statistics show that atheists are a dying breed

"But I wouldn't want to live in a world without atheists – if I was Julian Baggini I’d be trying to get Guardian readers to breed more to ensure the world in 50 year’s time isn’t populated entirely by religious crackpots of various shades."

I don't know whose statistics these are; some I have seen show the opposite. There is a comprehensive study done in the USA every four years (I forget what it is called) which showed that the number of people unaffiliated with any religion has increased quite markedly in the last decade (I think the figure quoted was 15%, but I could be misremembering).

Unfortunately the situation is that if you want your child to enjoy a purely secular education you must either pay stiff fees at a secular private school (like Crawford) or educate your child at home.

On a personal note, I was sent to a church-sponsored religious boot camp in lieu of high school, and even that combined with devout god-bothering parents didn't prevent me from becoming an atheist at age 15, so don't despair just because the school indulges in a little superstition. At least you can discuss it with your child and gently point out the contradictions inherent in any religious belief system.
Jane of the Jungle (September 22, 2009, 14:19:31 PM):
Quote
Note that it says "in general class-time", so they can proselytise as much as they like in school assembly or at any time outside class-time. I don't think they can make it compulsory to attnd, though.

Your absolutely right!

Quote
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that "Christian" is a synonym for "kind", "loving", "tolerant" and so on.

No I don't, if only! In their twisted world they do believe it and this hypocrisy I have witnessed myself many times!

Quote
I don't know whose statistics these are; some I have seen show the opposite. There is a comprehensive study done in the USA every four years (I forget what it is called) which showed that the number of people unaffiliated with any religion has increased quite markedly in the last decade (I think the figure quoted was 15%, but I could be misremembering).
In this particular article they didn't insinuate Atheist to decrease and convert to religion again, but the fact that
theist breed like rabbits and Atheists mostly don't even substitute themselves as adults. Thus the religion - Atheist ratio
might not change! I think, our hope lies in young people de-converting!

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

Skeptic Forum Board Index

Non-mobile version of page