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Science proves gays are acts of Satan?

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« on: November 06, 2011, 11:30:36 AM »

According to The Boston Pilot, the oldest Roman Catholic newspaper in America, if science suggests that gay people are made in the womb, it must be because Satan is interfering with pregnant women.

The newspaper ran a column — which it has now pulled — saying that:

“…the scientific evidence of how same-sex attraction most likely may be created provides a credible basis for a spiritual explanation that indicts the devil.”

It also said that natural disasters are caused by the evil one rather than, for example, tectonic plate movements.


Of course, they ended up with a lot of egg on their face, and did a 180.
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2011, 12:21:17 PM »

Just the fact alone that these people can even contemplate such an “explanation,” let alone put it forward in all earnest, shows what addled, unwholesome minds they have.  In terms of their own dogma, it would give doctrinal grounds for spurning gays, perhaps even persecuting them, because they have, after all, been touched by the devil.

I don’t think there’s a stick big enough with which to smack such people’s knuckles so that they let go of the third century and join the rest of humanity in the 21st.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2011, 08:26:09 AM »

I don’t think there’s a stick big enough with which to smack such people’s knuckles
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2011, 08:44:26 AM »

...the little head as well!
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2011, 08:49:43 AM »

just cut that off
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2011, 09:00:45 AM »

Starting I *totally* agree with the above statements. As a gay man I am very big on gay rights and these people are totally evil but this is also interesting to consider:

Gay Atheist: ‘I have a magazine that I write covering topics of atheism and homosexuality’

Gay Jew for Jesus: ‘Wow, I wrote a wonderful article on how we can reconcile religion with homosexuality. Although I know that your readers are Atheist perhaps they will find it interesting.’

Gay Atheist: ‘Well, I do not think that would be a good article for my magazine. I personally think that religion is not reconcilable with homosexuality. Most of my readers are of the same opinion. And I personally work very hard to find advertising to pay for my magazine.’

Gay Jew for Jesus: ‘That is discrimination and I am going to the newspapers about this. I cannot *believe* that another gay man can be as bigoted as you.’

Will post something more solid on the above topic later.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2011, 10:01:37 AM »

These guys always lose me at "...for Jesus". First time I heard that I think my face inverted.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2011, 13:04:22 PM »

everything that is fun, is sin.  sex is sin.  drugs is sin.  getting pissed is sin.  so why would gay sex be any different?
i read awhile ago, cant remember where, that homosexuality became an issue, because kings needed people to breed, so that he could makes his armies bigger.   to defend his borders.  or something to that effect.
as far as i can see, cultures outside of the xtian scope, accepted homosexuality as part of life. Greeks and Romans the most obvious.  Native americans, the celts.... 
i want to freak out, when people have conversations, that imply that being gay, is a new thing.
i have heard that chemicals in the food and packaging, cause more people to be gay.  that contraceptives in the water make more people gay.  hormones in your meat.  that it's fashionable to be gay, so everyone is doing it.
then i am stuck between arguing the case with them, or just shaking my head.
and people say 'there were no gays before'.  ehm, i beg to differ.  it's just gay individuals were tortured, ostraced, or ahem, became clergy.  imagine having to marry some woman, because your parents expect you to, and you have to somehow have sex with her, because it's your duty to procreate. while you are desperately in love with the neighbour's son instead.  so, what do?  join the clergy.  you will only marginally dissapoint your parents, and still keep face.
And PS, of all the peadophiles caught, less than 1% are gay.
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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2011, 13:38:01 PM »

Of course, they ended up with a lot of egg on their face, and did a 180.

Almost a shame really, I bet their next revelation from God would have been "Gays cause earthquakes!" or something equally ridiculous.
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2011, 13:54:38 PM »

Almost a shame really, I bet their next revelation from God would have been "Gays cause earthquakes!" or something equally ridiculous.

no no, Deepak Chopra does.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2011, 14:00:58 PM »

everything that is fun, is sin.  sex is sin.

Not if you're doing it sanctioned by the church, in the right manner and way, and preferably no contraceptives. In that case sex is awesome. (See some psalm that mixes lots of fruit and nookie - Oh the irony)

I'm one of those people who thinks that every vice is it's own punishment, and that people with vices should be left alone. (Not saying homosexuality is a vice, just sayin...)

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... kings needed people to breed, so that he could makes his armies bigger.   to defend his borders.  or something to that effect.

If that is the case, or say, the church makes homosexuals go into heterosexual marriages for the sake of having children. I'd say they are actually PROMOTING homosexual genes and may be helping to create more of the very people they're trying to prevent. (even more irony)


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Greeks and Romans the most obvious.

I think their armies had a "Do ask, please tell!" mantra.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2011, 14:12:26 PM »

Although the newspaper article has been pulled, I cannot see that the column’s author, Daniel Avila has changed his point of view. The only way to counter irrationality is rationality. With rationality you have reality on your side. This is the only way to counter religious stupidity. It is a slow but gradual process. Suppressing homophobia does not mean that it will go away since it does not attack the core emotional roots of the problem in people that are homophobic or any other reasons why people are homophobic. Sometimes it only means that the wound is festering underneath. This is the problem that the LGBTQIA (Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, intersex, and asexual) community has to address. We all should be educated in doing so and not just gay rights. Alas I have bought myself a book on homophobia but cannot find time to read it since I have so much reading to get through.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 14:54:24 PM »

I really don't want to go too much off topic here, and I realize that the whole 'gay-pride' thing is a very strong (and necessary and sometimes successful) movement. And I also obviously think that discrimination against somebody who might be/think/look/do things differently than what one is used to is just silly and stupid and morally wrong.
I'm trying to figure out WHY the Church (or any other religious organization) would have ANY interest in the sexual preferences of random individuals who have nothing ot do with their church, and whether that church shows the same interest in the sexual preferences of its members. I wonder if the dominee from that church discusses things like 'the bible says that the man should always be on top' when he does huisbesoek?
Seriously, how/ with whom/ how/ how often I have sex is absolutely nobody's business except mine and the person who I am sleeping with. (it would be the business of my significant other too if I had one and that was part of our deal).
I care if you're gay just about as much as you care whether I prefer to be on top.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 14:59:28 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 15:06:18 PM »

everything that is fun, is sin.  sex is sin.  drugs is sin.  getting pissed is sin. 
Atheists cannot sin, by definition "Sin" is a religious concept and is often described as "offending God" (Barker, Dan "Godless"), therefore since there is no god, there can be no sin! QED?? Love it to be sinless....that is not to say I am guiltless however!
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