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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2011, 11:13:07 AM »

Thanks for the link, st0nes. Are they less harsh on their own citizens then? A sort of xenophobia?
I have no idea.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2014, 10:52:55 AM »

The question of the death penalty in SA has reemerged.  The attendant opinion poll shows that more than 90% of IOL readers who have so far chosen to respond are in favour of a referendum to decide the issue.

But the author forgets a few salient points.  First, several studies have shown that, as a deterrent, the death penalty is basically useless.  Second, a death penalty would violate our Constitution, an obstacle no referendum has the power to remove.  Third, if the considerations are mostly financial (i.e., the cost of keeping convicted criminals incarcerated and fed vs. disposing of them with finality), the essential immorality of capital punishment becomes even clearer.

Finally, “Executed by the will of the people” would make a very fine epitaph.  It would be a reminder, one to make the people proud of their democracy, whenever the state kills some incorrigible lowlife on their behalf.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2014, 12:20:29 PM »

I am sickened by the hype around the murder of a soccer star. On the South Coast a few days ago a young woman (a tourist from the UK) in her twenties was raped and killed. Heard about it? Guess not. Every flippen politician is on the band wagon with the Senzo murder and then they have a massive debate whether his fuckbuddy should attend the funeral FFS! Now the death penalty raises its weary head again...the murders of children, farmers black and white, the aged etc etc gets little exposure besides the mention of them in the media. Court cases are focused on hype and newsworthiness and what bugs me is the sudden outburst of revulsion. If any good can come of Senzo's death, hopefully the security cluster may get a wake-up call and get to do their jobs more efficiently.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2014, 14:37:15 PM »

The death penalty, only serves as a tool for revenge.
A sense of revenge I sometimes share, when I hear of the horrible things that happen to people.
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 15:19:26 PM »

If memory serves, after the second world war, Germany abolished the death penalty (except, of course, for those minor little hangings after Nüremberg). The majority of Germans were actually in favour of the death penalty. Nowadays, the majority of Germans oppose it. Why? Simply because a new generation of Germans grew up without it and became used to the idea. I think South Africans will also come to opposed it in another generation or two.

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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2014, 15:20:10 PM »

PS: Not having a TV has its advantages: I have no idea who the dead soccer star even was.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2014, 17:03:31 PM »

Just to add to my disgust: The Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban will now serve as the venue for Senzo's funeral. If it is for genuine grief for the loss of a star I have no problem but IMHO 99% of the "mourners" are there for the sake of publicity...probably also rent-a-grief-stricken-crowd plus politicians, TV cameras and at least two days of mourning...state funeral??? let's hope not: he was just a goalie FFS.  WTF!!
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2014, 17:11:20 PM »

Imagine the problems liable to emerge if the death penalty were to be reintroduced. Politically appointed judges ruling on groups like the boeremag crowd and others who are not of the current political flavor would be open to manipulation. The powers that be would only need a couple of the judges in their pockets to completely eliminate any creditable opposition.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2015, 09:39:19 AM »

How hard can it be to kill? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/17/oklahoma_execution_method_nitrogen_asphyxiation_bill_signed_by_governor.html?wpisrc=obinsite The more I think about it (the death penalty) the more I'm moving away from it. I was always for it but now I am a fence sitter, leaning over to the no side, I suppose.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2015, 12:49:55 PM »

These things are always ostensibly done to ease the suffering of the person receiving the execution. I disagree, I think most of this stuff is done to ease the suffering of the onlookers. I mean, Blindfold the person and just take them out. 0 suffering required.

But, for those doing the executing, a bit more messy. And therein lies the true problem.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2015, 13:00:25 PM »

How hard can it be to kill? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/17/oklahoma_execution_method_nitrogen_asphyxiation_bill_signed_by_governor.html?wpisrc=obinsite The more I think about it (the death penalty) the more I'm moving away from it. I was always for it but now I am a fence sitter, leaning over to the no side, I suppose.


As far as I can work out, nitrogen asphyxiation is about as painless a way to go as you get. It is sometimes used in auto-euthanasia devices too. So if we are going to execute people, I suppose it is as good a method as any. Won't eliminate the psychological torture of the thing, mind you.
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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2015, 13:09:51 PM »

As far as I can work out, nitrogen asphyxiation is about as painless a way to go as you get.
Painless? It can be downright enjoyable!
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2015, 14:22:50 PM »

Rigil, I think you’re probably thinking of something less permanent than N2 asphyxiation…

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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2015, 05:31:07 AM »

Following recent discussions with some of my friends who are pro-death penalty and in light of  Robin Stransham-Ford’s recent ruling on his right to die, it is so weird that these friends are pro-death penalty, yet completely against euthanasia, assisted suicide and abortion.

I honestly don't get this, people claim moral reasons for not supporting pro-choice and euthanasia, and don't get me started on the gay issue, but when I question how they can be so pro-death penalty, they just say it's a completely different issue and basically refuse to have a discussion further when combining these different issues and questioning their moral positions on these.

How can people say euthanasia and abortion is wrong and immoral and yet support the death penalty? How does this promote well being?

Anyone who has ever seen a terminally ill cancer patient would appreciate a right to die, I just cannot wrap my mind around this warped logic and moral sense
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2015, 08:36:53 AM »

In my view, most people who are pro-death penalty are quite/very conservative and also often religious. When you take that into consideration, it starts to make sense that they would in all likelihood be anti-abortion and anti-assisted suicide etc.as well 'coz the bible says so.
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