The PC police running amok

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brianvds (October 22, 2017, 06:24:41 AM):
Here's a whole new thread to post your favourite examples of the crazy PC thing sweeping the world. Something I was not aware of until it was pointed out at another forum: in Canada and America, you can now be imprisoned for accidentally using the wrong pronoun for a gender non-conforming person. Here are some articles on the issue:

https://churchleaders.com/news/305540-now-illegal-call-non-gender-conforming-person-canada.html

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/301661-this-canadian-prof-defied-sjw-on-gender-pronouns-and-has-a

From the second link above:

Second, more complexly, are the political issues. “Gender-neutral” pronouns are, in my opinion, part of the “PC Game.” Here’s how you play:

First, you identify a domain of human endeavor. It could be the wealth of people within a society. It could be the psychological well-being of individuals within a given organization. It could be the prowess of school children at a particular sport.

Second, you note the inevitable continuum of success. Some people are richer or happier than others. Some children are better at playing volleyball.

Third, you define those doing comparatively better as oppressors of those doing comparatively worse.

Fourth, and finally, you declare solidarity with the latter, and enmity for the former (now all-too-convenient targets for your resentment and hatred).
BoogieMonster (October 23, 2017, 00:01:54 AM):
Yeah it's marxism.

Jordan Peterson, a professor of psychology in Canada who wrote the latter article, was a fierce opponent of the bill in Canada, but (clearly) ultimately failed to prevent the bill from going through. He suffered a lot of backlash from colleagues and from far afield, to the point that he was unsure if he still had a future as a professor; the upside of which is that he gained enormous popularity as a consequence. From what I can tell this saved his job.

Libertarianism, or libertarian ideas, is from what I can see on the rise. Largely as a direct consequence of this PC hysteria. I hear more and more US "republicans" echo libertarian ideas instead of traditional "right wing" ones. (For instance, they suddenly don't care about people being gay as long as they can retain their freedoms in turn).

He has an excellent history lesson on the idea you've quoted him on above. I'm no expert on the "Pareto distribution" he describes... but it sounds at least plausable.

If you're interested, the entire hour of his testimony on bill C-16 (the pronoun bill) is available online.
Faerie (October 23, 2017, 04:42:43 AM):
A little story loosly related to this:

I chair a Women's forum on a monthly basis. We have forums for everything - Diversity, LGBT, men's, name it, we've set it up. A couple months ago we got this flapoy chap sauntering into one of the sessions midway through and an ackward silence decended as we were talking, I allowed him to settle in and then addressed a colleague across the room asking her preference on a product, she cottonned on and a full swing discussion around tampons ensued. We got seriously into it without stating what it was. The man was clueless and eventually interjected with:
"Im sorry I came in late, but what is the topic of discussion?"
I responded: "we are comparing the viability of brands and products which stems the flow"
" What flow?"
"Periods"

He excused himself and hasnt been back.

Inclusion is great, but as with anything, you cannot expect to be part of something you cannot contribute to. Its comparable with me wanting to join a conversation about physics and Mefi is in the room. Id be a duck trying to be relevant in a room full of eagles.
brianvds (October 23, 2017, 08:01:14 AM):
Libertarianism, or libertarian ideas, is from what I can see on the rise. Largely as a direct consequence of this PC hysteria. I hear more and more US "republicans" echo libertarian ideas instead of traditional "right wing" ones. (For instance, they suddenly don't care about people being gay as long as they can retain their freedoms in turn).

Yup, there are those who believe that Trump's victory is partly simply backlash against the PC thing. On the other hand, what with him being an asshole, it might now cause a back-backlash toward even worse PC excess. :-)

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He has an excellent history lesson on the idea you've quoted him on above. I'm no expert on the "Pareto distribution" he describes... but it sounds at least plausable.

Nassim Taleb also discussed this in one of his books, in relation to the arts (if I remember correctly). He talks about the 20/80 rule: 20% of writers, for example, make 80% of the income. Except it is even worse nowadays, more like 1/99. In many creative fields, there doesn't seem to be such a thing a modest success anymore: you either become a superstar, or nothing at all.

brianvds (October 25, 2017, 05:55:26 AM):
And here we go again, assuming it isn't fake news:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/23/professor-claims-math-algebra-and-geometry-promote-white-privilege/

I see now there is actually already a thread about SJWs, so this might fit in there too. :-)

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