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« on: May 03, 2014, 14:26:11 PM »

Had a peek on what the blogroll had on the elections, the chester veedee-yoh on synapses almost convinced me to vote EFF, cause Agang is run by dictators and well Malema really needs help paying his tax...

On the other hand, lennymaysay says we'll all get prizes like food parcels and official ANC merchandise if we vote for them and that the DA is totally boring for you know, being logical and all, he also says Agang is like the black DA, of course others say the DA is the SA Tory party...

So who do I vote for?

The Dagga Party or Kenny Kunene?

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Of the 200 registered parties, 152 are national parties and most don't even have their own website
There are plenty of Christian parties and even some Musliim ones

How many of these registered parties actually have seats or will even appear on the ballot paper?

why som many
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 16:48:54 PM »

The party I wanted to vote for isn't in the running, so I'm staying home in a huff. I have decided to become an anarchist. I'll spend the day painting.  :-)


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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2014, 16:56:33 PM »

I will vote for the opposition, whoever that may be. The strongest opposition party until we have two more or less equally strong parties, then I will vote for the third strongest. My reasoning is that democracy can only work well with strong opposing voices. Good ideas will go through but bad ones will not get an automatic rubber stamp (information bill).
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2014, 18:37:14 PM »

I will vote for the opposition, whoever that may be.
Can't be done. You will only know who the opposition is after you have voted, at which stage it will be to late to vote for them. Unless you guessed right.

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 06:58:09 AM »

I will vote for the opposition, whoever that may be. The strongest opposition party until we have two more or less equally strong parties, then I will vote for the third strongest. My reasoning is that democracy can only work well with strong opposing voices. Good ideas will go through but bad ones will not get an automatic rubber stamp (information bill).

What with South Africa's ethnic, linguistic and political diversity, I think we will in any event soon have a situation where no one single party will ever govern again, and we'll have one ineffectual coalition government after the other. And that's probably a good thing.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2014, 09:02:55 AM »

I will vote for the opposition, whoever that may be.
Can't be done. You will only know who the opposition is after you have voted, at which stage it will be to late to vote for them. Unless you guessed right.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2014, 09:30:36 AM »

Ah, I see. Fair enough.

At the university where I am taking a course at the moment (it's NMMU), the following poll question was posted on the electronic student portal:

Will you be voting in the upcoming elections? Of the 1,375 respondents to date,

56.8% said yes,
35.3% said no,
7.9% doesn't know.

I was surprised that so many mostly young Eastern Cape people have so little interest in things political. I saw an ad on the TV last night where Wimpy promises you a free cup of coffee on presentation of your mutilated thumb. This may go some way in boosting interest in our democratic process. Coffee is one of the few things for which I am willing to queue.

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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2014, 10:18:33 AM »

mebbe i'm just old fashioned: I have voted many times in my life but always based on principle: not on promises, opposition % etc....in other words I have a look at the values espoused by the leaders (like Helen Suzman with the Progs many decades ago) and vote according to my conscience (albeit subjective). Huh?
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2014, 17:03:09 PM »

Of the 200 registered parties, only 45 have listed candidates. What exactly is the definition of a party in the IEC's mind? I just filtered for registered parties and got the magic number of 200 (20 pages of 10 parties each) But making up the 200 parties is a couple of double or even triple entries of the same party, making it registered twice, also the former DP (now DA) also shows up as "registered" all this just to make up the pretty number 200

Of the parties that listed candidates the DA has the most candidates, having 829 total candidates, beating the ANC's candidate list by 4 people. The EFF has 814 candidates and AGANG only 394. The "party" with the least amount of candidates is the KISS party with only 1 candidates, being a national candidate nogal.

Then there's parties like BUSHBUCKRIDGE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION who has 53 candidates, of which 23 are national candidates

And does about every church denomination have its own party? From the "registered" party list it makes me really wonder...

Anyone care to explain the difference between national, regional and provincial candidates, especially in the context of why/how for example a local residents association put out so many national candidates and for the love of god, please tell me why the IEC even has so many parties registered?

Pity the Dagga party haven't put forward any candidates, shame guess they got high


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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2014, 18:40:57 PM »

mebbe i'm just old fashioned: I have voted many times in my life but always based on principle: not on promises, opposition % etc....in other words I have a look at the values espoused by the leaders (like Helen Suzman with the Progs many decades ago) and vote according to my conscience (albeit subjective). Huh?
Call me cynical but I do not trust any of them. With all that power, once they have it, they will use it to help themselves first, then their party and lastly the "people". I see it as my duty to let them get as little of it as possible.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 09:46:46 AM »

mebbe i'm just old fashioned: I have voted many times in my life but always based on principle: not on promises, opposition % etc....in other words I have a look at the values espoused by the leaders (like Helen Suzman with the Progs many decades ago) and vote according to my conscience (albeit subjective). Huh?
Call me cynical but I do not trust any of them. With all that power, once they have it, they will use it to help themselves first, then their party and lastly the "people". I see it as my duty to let them get as little of it as possible.

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

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I just love the way he said things..

Yeah I hear you, it's not like we don't know who's going to win, democracy is like free will and manipulation, people are predictable and change is always slow...
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 09:58:33 AM »

I recall an American friend who "confessed" to voting for Bush jr.

After the fact, and after it became amply clear GWB was a moron, I heckled him about it and all he had to say was: "Did you see the other guy?!"

To me this is just democracy in a nutshell. You vote for the guy who sucks the least.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2014, 15:15:41 PM »

"It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

 Douglas Adams

I just love the way he said things.


I have posted this before, but this is one of the cleverest things he ever said, in which he displays unique insight into the nature of modern democracies, where people are increasingly inclined to vote tactically instead of according to their conscience:

http://futurismic.com/2011/05/11/douglas-adams-on-representative-democracy/

And then there is H.L. Mencken:

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses."

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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2014, 17:28:36 PM »

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And then there is H.L. Mencken:

"Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses."
don't quite agree with that. My issue is with the word "worship". When i vote I idealistically wish for change as I always seem to vote for the minority guys. Worship them?? no ways. However, the BIG MAN syndrome which is so sickeningly evident in Africa where the pictures of the "BIG MAN" is hung in every conceivable public space is to vomit on. SA has also fallen foul of this false form of worship and it's quite amazing how quickly the pecking order pics change when so-n-so falls out of favour!!!

Getting back to Mencken's statement above...if democracy is a form of worship what is/was Mao dse Dongs' (sic) dictatorship? or Hitlerism or fascist Mussolini etc, ??
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2014, 04:20:03 AM »

Getting back to Mencken's statement above...if democracy is a form of worship what is/was Mao dse Dongs' (sic) dictatorship? or Hitlerism or fascist Mussolini etc, ??

Fundamentalism?   Grin
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