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« on: February 14, 2013, 12:43:03 PM »

Dude, you're barking up the wrong tree asking for help in the manner that you do.

First of all, this being a public interwebs forum, no guarantee of privacy is offered.
Second of all, I dont do well with people begging. ESPECIALLY when they are complete and utter strangers with no post history whatsoever and they attempt to connect with me via pm stating

"Please, please help me"

Go ask your mother, or if she's not around, a buddy, a brother or your boss.  I dont care who. I would also suggest that next time you need assistance, you first do the socially acceptable thing and introduce yourself to the forum at large and allow us to get to know you.

As for your pm's, piss off and go away. I'm not in a good mood lately and have no patience for rubbish. I come here to ease my mind with intellectually minded conversations and some comfort of my own that there are still rational people in the world. You dont seem very rational, therefore, go back under that rock you just crawled out from under.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 12:55:38 PM »

Spam?
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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2013, 13:00:14 PM »

Dunno, via pm?  Rather creepy, I'm tired of needy people... and dont have the energy right now to enjoy an online stalker.

He's not stating what his issue is, just one liners stating he wants help.

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2013, 13:38:31 PM »

Got one too, probably spam.
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2013, 14:00:36 PM »

Strange one liner spam, Maybe a fishing line.
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« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2013, 14:41:14 PM »

I just slapped an ignore on him.

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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2013, 14:56:13 PM »

Ok, firstly to all of you with your very abrubt, rude, ugly attitudes, I am a lady and not a "dude"!!!!!
Maybe you must get some manners first.  Maybe helping me or directing me the correct way of doing things here, but no that is too much to ask from you arrogant people.  This is my first time in here, and I really need advice, of what I am about to do, seeing that you are PHSYCICS!!!!!
Firstly is not my problem if you are in a bad mood.  If you are then it is your own fault. 
And NOOOO I am not a spam or anything that you think.  Maybe all you phsycics should sit down and think for a while before you reply.
Faerie I read one of your replies to a person, and I thought "ok this guys sounds good" maybe if i can tell him about my issue ..maybe he could direct me in the correct way...  But clearly I misjudged you and the rest.  maybe you all are spams.!!!!

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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 15:07:00 PM »

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I am a lady and not a "dude"!!!!!

Oh the irony....

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Faerie I read one of your replies to a person, and I thought "ok this guys sounds good" maybe if i can tell him about my issue

You assume "Faerie" is a dude?

As a person who ran a blogging/forum type site a long time ago, I can assure you 99% of PM's that get through are spam in some form. If you register an account and just start PM'ing people with a short, light-on-details message then yes, it's probably safe to assume it's spam.

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seeing that you are PHSYCICS!!!!!

We're not psychics and hence can't tell you from a spam bot. That's why Faerie suggested you first introduce yourself so we can know you're for real.
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 15:12:01 PM »

Hello, and welcome to this, a sceptics’ forum where you can learn lots of interesting things if you are willing.

It’s probably a good idea to browse the forum rules to get an idea of what this place is about.

I’m not sure what “PHSYCICS!!!!!” or their smaller and less strident cousins “phsycics” are exactly, but if you mean “psychics” then you are mistaken about there being any here, and the advice is simple:  Avoid all psychics for your own wellbeing’s sake.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 15:45:53 PM »

smaak my dis'n geval van "bokka djy moet nou hys toe gaan" ahem. and welcome if you can take the flack!
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 15:47:41 PM »

Lyk vir my almal het n eiertjie te le as iemand ietsie se.  n regte 7de laan lyk dit vir my
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2013, 15:51:34 PM »

My psychic abilities obviously failed me... oh! woe is me, my spirit guides have abandoned me!!

Should have known its related to that psychic thread we enjoy so much...

Faerie I read one of your replies to a person, and I thought "ok this guys sounds good"

Damn, I'm good...  Grin

Ok Bokka, for my own good nights rest's sake.

The thread you read is all bullshit, which you would have realised if you read the whole thing.  Since it managed to fool you thinking its the real thing, realise then how easy it was for a bunch of godless, cynical skeptics to sound like the real thing and fool you,  now think how easy it is for the "real" psychics out there to do the same.

The only advice I'll offer here - is the same that Mefiante offered.
void all psychics for your own wellbeing’s sake.


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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2013, 15:56:19 PM »

Lyk vir my almal het n eiertjie te le as iemand ietsie se.

Dis basies hoe forums werk ja...
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Since it managed to fool you thinking its the real thing, realise then how easy it was for a bunch of godless, cynical skeptics to sound like the real thing and fool you,  now think how easy it is for the "real" psychics out there to do the same.
Excellent question. One ponders why this won't make a dent? One further ponders at cyghost's ability to make such predictions.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2013, 15:57:29 PM »

LOL, that is slowly becoming the best thread ever.

Next time I'm replying with: "You will be revealed a great truth and become an atheist".

Who knows might work...
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2013, 16:05:47 PM »

Okkkkkk !!!!!...you all clearly have issues, maybe you all should see "kopdokters" want ek dink julle koppe raas geweldig.  Duidelik het daar n hele paar van julle vartjies in julle koppe van die balkie afgeval. 
Ek sal maar vir julle bid maar belowe niks, want n mens kan regtig niks doen met n lee doppie nie.
Eintlik is hierdie n groot grap en ook julle almal.  Ek voel maar bitter jammer vir julle omdat julle almal sulke morbiede, onbeskofte wesens is.  Duidelik het julle geen doel voor oe nie, maar sit net met julle eie ongeskikte gedagtes, en kyk wie julle verder kan slegse of verkleineer.

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2013, 16:24:05 PM »

Duidelik het julle geen doel voor oe nie
Waarvan praat jy? Ons skenk dan bloed en vertel vir kinders van die sterre!  Cool

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Min of meer my eie ondervinding met gebede ook, ja. Lips Sealed

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2013, 16:26:40 PM »

No wonder you bought Faerie’s spiel, Bokka.  If the above is any indication, your own psychic powers are woefully meagre.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2013, 16:27:44 PM »

Gewoonlik mense met geen self vertroue en geen self respek en n swak selfbeeld sal met n patetiese reply kom soos joune Rigil.
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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2013, 16:38:21 PM »

Gewoonlik mense met geen self vertroue en geen self respek en n swak selfbeeld sal met n patetiese reply kom soos joune Rigil.

EN moenie vergeet van my ingroei-toonnaels nie. Kiss

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2013, 16:40:26 PM »

Accuses people of being rude, Flings around insults.
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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2013, 16:42:06 PM »

soos ek se sal vir jou bid maar belowe niks!
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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2013, 16:46:16 PM »

soos ek se sal vir jou bid maar belowe niks!
Effe meer ernstig, en as ek mag vra, Bokka, wat bedoel jy presies met "belowe niks"? Beteken dit dat jy 'n verwagting koester dat die gebed dalk nie mag werk nie?

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2013, 16:48:15 PM »

jong ja ek het nie hoop vir jou nie...
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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2013, 16:50:26 PM »

Hoop? Hoop waarvoor?
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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2013, 16:56:55 PM »

Hoop of hoop?

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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2013, 16:58:17 PM »

ai toemaar julle...duidelik het my kind meer breins as julle en verstaan beter..lekker dag vir julle malletjies
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2013, 17:05:33 PM »

duidelik het my kind meer breins as julle

Bly om te hoor, Bokka, ek hoop dan jy luister mooi as hy/sy praat.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2013, 17:21:25 PM »

LOL, that is slowly becoming the best thread ever.
This one?  It’s tragically comic (or comically tragic).  What drops my jaw is how many people fall right into what has quite unintentionally become a trap.  Reading any three or more successive responses in that thread should be ample to show it’s a spoof.  Obviously, they don’t read far enough or simply filter out the meaning of what they read.  It’s sad to think that there are so many depressed and insecure people out there who so desperately grab and grope at the vaguest hope of guidance.  It’s also a reflection of how people are becoming more and more dependent on and desperate for the quick fix and the easy out.  How can scepticism possibly grow on such a fallow substrate, let alone thrive?

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2013, 18:17:35 PM »

Ek sal maar vir julle bid maar belowe niks, want n mens kan regtig niks doen met n lee doppie nie.
Jy kan nie aan die een kant bid en aan die ander kant die bose ondersteun nie! Hy sal jou uitspoeg as jy louwarm is!!

Dit sal nooit deug nie! Die Babbel waarsku tog so mooi teen towerkragte en vals profete en diesmeer en hier soek jy raad by 'n psychic!  Shocked
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2013, 19:21:53 PM »

Waaroor gaan hierdie hele gesprek nou eintlik? Ek kan nie sin maak nie want dit lyk of daar van die bydraes verdwyn het. So dan lewer ek maar my eie bydrae tot die surrealisme: Bok ... Bok ... Bokka Gangnam style!
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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2013, 20:10:54 PM »

Brian, die kennis wat jy kort is dat Bokka blykbaar ’n private boodskap vir Faerie gesteur het wat gevra het dat sy ’n psigiese lesing moet doen sonder om eers ’n bydrae of inleiding op die forum na te kom nie.

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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2013, 21:47:08 PM »

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Brian, die kennis wat jy kort is dat Bokka blykbaar ’n private boodskap vir Faerie gesteur het wat gevra het dat sy ’n psigiese lesing moet doen sonder om eers ’n bydrae of inleiding op die forum na te kom nie

Ek't dit nie gesien nie maar dis duidelik die arme ding het issues sonder tissues. Shame man! Ek dag maar net ek sal hom/haar/dit verwelkom maar dis blykbaar ook nie wat sy/dit/of hy wou gehad het nie.
@Bokka: as jy iets het wat waarde mag he laat ons tog weet! gebede het g'n waarde nie en dis wetenskaplik bewys!
 
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2013, 22:14:55 PM »

Skuus en jammer vir die misverstand, maar my kommentaar was op ons ander Brian (nl. “brianvds”) gemik.

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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2013, 07:44:16 AM »

Brian, die kennis wat jy kort is dat Bokka blykbaar ’n private boodskap vir Faerie gesteur het wat gevra het dat sy ’n psigiese lesing moet doen sonder om eers ’n bydrae of inleiding op die forum na te kom nie.

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Sy't nie eens gevra vir 'n "reading" nie, slegs om hulp, vir my het dit dadelik na 'n stalker gevoel (het 'n paar al raakgeloop deur die jare en die donners begin altyd met 'n Jannie-Jammergat houding).

Mens groet mos voor mens hulp vra dan nie? Selfs die ouens by die verkeersligte groet mens eers voor hulle jou vertel wat hulle issues is en dan steek hulle die hande uit.

Buiten dit, ek was werklik in 'n lus vir niks nonsens bui ook, shame, die universe het nie in haar guns getel nie.

Wat my verstand te bowe gaan is dat daardie thread baie duidelik na vore bring dat dit 'n klomp nonsens is, lees mense dan werklik so selektief/glad nie?

Ek dink ons moet dit 'n sticky maak as dit nie reeds is nie.
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2013, 08:50:14 AM »

seeing that you are PSYCHICS!!!!!

I don't think Bokka is with us anymore but for what it is worth
I would just like to point out for the record that there is no such thing as PSYCHICS
It's all BS Bokka.
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« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2013, 09:03:12 AM »

julle almal sulke morbiede, onbeskofte wesens is.  Duidelik het julle geen doel voor oe nie,

Why is it that everybody seems to think we're morbid and rude? We're a fairly happy lot in my humble opinion, and we've got a wicked sense of humour. 

Daars ook nie pille vir stupid nie. Nogal jammer.

How does one pronounce PHSYCHICS - my tongue stumbles over that extra "H"...
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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2013, 09:36:00 AM »

Why is it that everybody seems to think we're morbid and rude?
Two reasons that I can see.  First, they typically don’t understand the first thing about where we’re coming from and equally typically haven’t the least desire to find out.  And second, they confuse frankness/directness with rudeness, and a suspicious/questioning attitude with morbidity.  It’s always easy to revile things you don’t understand.

The difference is that we don’t go around in a sulk, whining how misunderstood we are, and wishing misfortune upon those who vex us.  But what fun it is to watch when someone else does it… Evil

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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2013, 11:31:43 AM »


The difference is that we don’t go around in a sulk, whining how misunderstood we are, and wishing misfortune upon those who vex us.


Speak for your self   Wink
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2013, 11:40:18 AM »

Why is it that everybody seems to think we're morbid and rude?
Two reasons that I can see.  First, they typically don’t understand the first thing about where we’re coming from and equally typically haven’t the least desire to find out.  And second, they confuse frankness/directness with rudeness, and a suspicious/questioning attitude with morbidity.  It’s always easy to revile things you don’t understand.

I think they are completely absorbed in a culture of feelings. Everything is good in the world as long as you capitulate to people's feelings all the time. Rocking the boat is frowned upon... but we don't function like that: to us the truth trumps emotions. We don't acknowledge emotions in debate. They do.

IMHO that's why they think we're "lashing out" when we question. The only possible reason they can think of for us "wanting to hurt their feelings" is  because we're supposedly unhappy and have a need to make others (them) unhappy too.

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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2013, 11:49:46 AM »

Hmm. Miskien is die "punt" van debat/stry vir sekere mense om die ander persoon seer te maak. Dus as jy debatteer, wil jy hulle seermaak. Dus wil hulle jou eerste seermaak....
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »

We don't acknowledge emotions in debate.
Except for frustration when hearing a particular piece of humbug for the umpteenth time when it’s already been debunked ad nauseamAngry



Hmm. Miskien is die "punt" van debat/stry vir sekere mense om die ander persoon seer te maak. Dus as jy debatteer, wil jy hulle seermaak. Dus wil hulle jou eerste seermaak....
Attack defensively ’cos you’re a thin-skinned paranoiac?  If true, it’s a rather horrible thought.

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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2013, 13:02:21 PM »

Hmm. Miskien is die "punt" van debat/stry vir sekere mense om die ander persoon seer te maak. Dus as jy debatteer, wil jy hulle seermaak. Dus wil hulle jou eerste seermaak....

Die probleem is dat hulle nie in staat is om iets te debatteer nie en soos die voorbeeld in hierdie einste thread (draad?), hulle aandbied om eerder vir jou te sal bid maar terselfdertyd nie veel hoop daarop plaas nie.

Ek bly weg van debatte af wat ek nie kan hanteer nie, ek mag 'n opinie he, maar as dit "effe" is, bly eerder stil en leer uit die wat die argument van alle kante af kan aandurf. Soms lei dit dat ek 'n heeltemal ander opinie form.

Bokka kon hierdie thread op sy kop gedraai het met 'n paar vrae in plaas van die absolute verdedigings stand wat sy ingeneem het. Jammer eintlik, maar ons sien dit daagliks.
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2013, 13:13:42 PM »

Except for frustration when hearing a particular piece of humbug for the umpteenth time when it’s already been debunked ad nauseamAngry

It depends on the setting I guess. Sometimes it's entertaining to see a young, bright eyed and bushy tailed fawn walk straight into a minefield with no clue of what lies ahead (and hence the same old tired rationale), but sometimes the setting is just not right and I just let it go.

Funny enough, that happened this morning. A very good friend asked for technical advice, but my reply sounded like too much effort to him so he rationalized my advice away. "OK, good luck..."
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« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2013, 13:26:39 PM »

Wat my verstand te bowe gaan is dat daardie thread baie duidelik na vore bring dat dit 'n klomp nonsens is, lees mense dan werklik so selektief/glad nie?
Ek moet myself soms daaraan herinner dat ek ook op `n stadium `n klomp nonsens geglo het.  Vandag is dit vir my baie duidelik dat my geloof `n klomp nonsens was, maar hoekom het ek dit nie toe reeds ingesien nie?  Ek dink tot `n groot mate is dit `n kuddemetaliteit: dit was byna ondenkbaar vir enigiemand in daardie gemeenskap om `n ateïs te wees.  As niemand anders die onlogiese redenasies van geloof bevraagteken nie, trek die meeste mense seker maar die skouers op en aanvaar die norm.  Miskien kom Bokka uit `n agtergrond waar dit aan die orde van die dag is om op kwansuise mediums staat te maak en is gekskeer daarmee so ver buite haar verwysingsraamwerk, dat sy dit nie aanvanklik as sodanig kon identifiseer nie.

Wensdenkery en vrees speel natuurlik ook `n baie groot rol.
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