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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2010, 15:42:31 PM »

I am not a parent. I do not intend to become a parent and I sincerely hope that I never will be a parent. This is because I have never in my life encountered an 'always good all the time parent' and logically, nobody can get it right all the time. I would rather not take the risk of Mucking up my kid's lives the way my folks all but mucked up mine... Fact remains, the days of "don't blame us, blame our parents" are over, done, should never have occurred to begin with. Responsibility for your own actions is the only logical way to go through life, and the quicker kids learn that nobody is going to be there for you when shit hits the fan, you're on your own kid, deal with it, if you want something done, get it done, the quicker the messed-up generation of typical Afrikaner-kids (now adults) who I grew up with (who still think its cool to go out on a Saturday night and bliksem some black guys) will become extinct, or learn to think for themselves.
Children can't "be raised"... they tend to grow up eventually, all on their own. Its the nature of time passing.
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2010, 16:18:13 PM »

wonder if, someone had the bollocks to be cold enough, to perform a study.  where twins are seperated at birth.  one is put with your average suburban parental couple, however they turn out in the end.
and another kid is raised by androids, who provided, according a mathematical calculations, everything the kid needs, allow him/her things according to the kid's mental developments. the andoids dont lose their temper, metes out punishment on a logical basis...etc etc.
how different would the kids be when they grow up?
considering though, the androids totally look human, so much so, that they have soft,warm skin, whatever.
so basically, one kid raised by the normal parent, with flaws, hang-ups, issues, etc.
other kid raised by the perfect, temperate, logical, patient, accurate, parents.

would be fun to see, if characteristics for fucking up, is in your DNA, or whether your parent really have such a hectic influence your ability to freck up.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2010, 07:53:24 AM »

There's plenty studies about twins being seperated - go have a google. The nature vs nurture debate will never be settled, I was adopted at age 2 from a very liberal german father (my mom died giving birth to my sister) into a very traditional Afrikaner family, my sister also went to an Afrikaner family. I rebelled from around age 4, and became a very liberal person, my sister who was adopted at birth, turned out the complete opposite of me, the whole religious/conservative/female submissive type. We cannot stand each other (we only met in our late 20's). Yet, we have very similar upbringings, I speculate that my first two years had a huge impact on my outlook on life.
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2010, 10:47:37 AM »

I am in favour of the "nurture" argument. Bertrand Russell once said, "It's difficult to unlearn what we learned on our Mother's knee." and I agree. I think we are born with little more than a genetic memory for survival, and the rest of what we become is due to our upbringing. Small babies absorb a LOT more from their surroundings than we can measure, I think, and this is what determines who we become in later life.

One of the things learned "on our Mother's knee" is a belief, somewhere in the back of our minds, that "God exists." This is one of the most difficult things to identify and remove because it becomes a sort of paradigm we always have on a sub-conscious level. I always shudder in horror when I see overly-religious people having kids - I want to shout "RUN" to the innocent and trusting tykes.
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2010, 12:09:54 PM »

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somewhere in the back of our minds, that "God exists."

you know, stevo, allthough i am an avid punter of blasphemous jokes, i cant help but cringe when i see them.  or when i curse god, out of habit, and await to be smited.  its like, i know its not real, but i cant help having this knee-jerk reaction.
when i croak, is some oomie gonna be standing at the pearly gates, tapping his foot, with his arms folded over his chest.
highly irrational, i know.
years of drilling into your head about burning in hell, takes its toll.
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