Letting someone know you're an atheist.

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Majin (March 05, 2012, 17:34:52 PM):
About 2 weeks ago my sister phoned me to ask if it is true that I am a non believer? "I replied yes."
Her first conclusion is: "Are you angry at god?"

Don't you just hate it when someone comes up with that conclusion?
Why do people come up with explanations like this? Does my sister know me so little that she would think that i would hold a grudge?

Well I decided to not get angry and tell sister that: "Yes, I do believe that there is no god. Don't try to convert me.
Accept me for who I am. I accept you for who you are.

I thought it was going to be the end of that conversation. Think again!

This week she phoned me and told me about a book i should read. It is about someone that was in a coma that experienced heaven and hell. I think its called seven days in heaven. "I will burn in hell because i do not believe in god. The fruits on the trees are made of fire. There are demons that are telling me not to believe in god." Oh, yeah by the way on the book it says true story.

This is where i decided "Ok, this is just too much for me."

My answer: "No I don't believe in heaven and hell. I have never seen a demon telling me to believe in nothing. And no i will not believe someone just because they say its a true story. How do we know they are not lying? Where is the proof that there is demons, angels, heaven and hell? I will not go to hell because i do not believe in hell."

My conclusion: This will probably not be the end of this. She won't let me. I did not want to get into this fight. Why can't everyone just get along? Why does there have to be an issue about religion? I am not making it an issue? Me thinks seeing as this is not the end of this I will have to do alot of reading up for any question she might come up with. So that I can be left in peace. I will probably not have my sister any more before long, because some people just can't accept anything different. Funny thing is she was never religious, her inlaws converted her.

Scare tactics. Oh please! Come up with something different. I am not afraid of hell because there is no hell!
Mefiante (March 05, 2012, 18:41:04 PM):
Few believers seem able to comprehend the rather simple fact that it would be utterly absurd to be angry at something whose existence you strongly doubt — or, for that matter, to feel any emotion towards it besides perhaps a mild, speculative curiosity. Usually, they want to find reasons why you don’t believe in what to them is a cardinally important thing. They want these reasons so that they can attempt to “cure” you but they are again apparently unable to understand that the main reason you don’t believe is because you can see no good reason to believe. In other words, they tend to put the cart before the horse in assuming that there must be something more that actively turned you away from belief than just a lack of reason for the belief.

Sadly, having to explain this gets tiresome quite quickly.

'Luthon64
beLIEf (March 05, 2012, 21:37:21 PM):
Yes the world is invariable in two halfs- those that believe there is a man in the sky to be afraid of .. (or who want or choose to) and those who don't. Which makes it maybe thirds or more but you get me.. I digress.

The kids in school are well aware of my beliefs or lack there of and they frequently ask me am I " illuminati"?? which when you ask them what they think that is they have no idea what it means apart from "something to do with the devil" because they've watched The Arrivals and other documentaries with no critical skills whatsoever- they also use it as an adjective for anything they don't understand but that's a different matter.

I was asked a question the other day which really gave me an insight into the "other half" so to speak...
"Miss?"
Me - "Yes"
John - "What's it like not believing in God?"
Me -"I don't know any different John so I'm not sure how I could compare it to anything - but I guess it feels free- I'm not scared of being judged or going to heaven or hell if that's what you mean"
John - " So Miss do you just go wild on the weekends?!"
By wild I asked him whether he meant running naked down the street off my face terrorizing Muizenberg- he looked at me blankly and just said -
"well I would if I wasn't scared of God - you could do anything"
I tried to point out the "good without god" idea and pointed out the ridiculous fallacy in the lack of responsibility and self control without fear of a deity. But to no avail.I think this is what many believers find very difficult to comprehend.

I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING!! If people are actually put in control of their own lives- really in the driving seat they would go bos??!!

"Don't worry god's in control" is something I frequently hear. If that is the case take over cos he's making a right fucking mess of things at the moment...


st0nes (March 06, 2012, 08:34:32 AM):
The kids in school are well aware of my beliefs or lack there of and they frequently ask me am I " illuminati"??
You should tell them that, yes, you are of the Illuminati, and if they don't sit down and shut up you'll turn into a giant lizard and eat them.
By wild I asked him whether he meant running naked down the street off my face terrorizing Muizenberg-
No one will notice if you run naked down the street in Muizenberg.
GCG (March 06, 2012, 08:40:44 AM):
i think the best response would be 'none of your business'. and if they press, ask them 'so how many times a week do you have sex, and in what positions. and what does your partner's bits taste like.....' and they get offended, remind them, that every time they want to bug you about your non-religion, you are going to bug them about their sexlife.

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