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jasongerm (January 11, 2012, 11:26:55 AM):
Young girls are falling pregnant to gain grants. Orphanages cannot cope. Modern medicine will keep malnurished people alive to continue feeding on imported aid - once the aid dries up, so do the people. The planet just passed the 7 billion mark. Economies are dependent on growth.

First to lose out is nature. Once we have covered our planet with shanty towns and farms, we'll start killing each other for resources. I'm sure the super rich will be fine though.

Solutions: education and family planning...?

When last were you completely alone in a silent place with no trace of human interferance?

I think we are suffering from a crowded psycosis already.

There is nowhere to escape to anymore and we have to find sanctuary in our own minds...usually chemically induced sanctuary.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on over population!
st0nes (January 11, 2012, 12:39:30 PM):
I'd love to hear your thoughts on over population!

Hermes (January 11, 2012, 14:42:20 PM):
Perhaps the Chinese strategy of limiting women to a single birth is the way to go, enforced by compulsory sterilization following the birth of the child.

Implementing the Chinese model would be extremely hard in a democracy. I foresee that a political party that implements a similar policy would lose the next election and the project would fail. The only way one might get support from the electorate is by a prolonged campaign promoting the concept and perhaps even discrediting and socially rejecting parents with too many children.

One would further require international cooperation. The UN has idealistic targets for limiting population growth, but I am not aware of any detailed implementation plan.
BoogieMonster (January 11, 2012, 15:34:29 PM):
Economies are dependent on growth.

Economic growth, which shouldn't necessarily be linked to population growth.

First to lose out is nature.

First to lose out is us. Once we're gone nature will shake us off like a bad cold. Planet earth will be fine, our CO2 will get removed over a couple of aeons and all will be hunky dory. We survived an ice age using nothing but stone tools, what we're doing pales in comparison, but there will be casualties...

Solutions: education and family planning...?

(Wo)Man likes to fantasize that we are above nature. We are not. Nature will kill us off with extreme prejudice until there's an equilibrium again. Would that be such a bad thing? We are the sickness and mass-death is the actual cure.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on over population!

It's stupid and irresponsible, much like anything else mankind as a collective has done, and probably unavoidable.
Rigil Kent (January 11, 2012, 16:49:20 PM):
When last were you completely alone in a silent place with no trace of human interference?
There was that one sceptics in the pub meeting ....

We need a solution for the third world - if it's still PC to use that term. Europe and its ilk, with its reported negative growth rates, seem to have the problem sorted.

The mechanics of the solution could not be simpler - the Chinese legal restrictions have been mentioned. Instead of child grants, the government could pay a one off R2,000 incentive for getting sterilized prior to having kids. Or we could chuck some libido decreasing additive in the water, along with the fluoride. CuSO4 wannit? Even those immensely popular traditional circumcision rituals can be subtly modified to kill two stones with one bird. Imagine starting a new tradition where a man is revered in society for his willingness to become a genetic cul de sac.

Political pussyfooting around the issue will no doubt lead to agony in the not to distant future. But sadly, I suspect that family planning, both personal and official, is far from our leader's list of priorities. Speaking for myself, if I was a statesman with say - oh, I don't know - 20-odd kids, I would be to blooming embarrassed to demand any form of reproductive restraint from my people.

At the end of the day, we are fighting sex drive and culture, ironically the very things that helped seal our existence as a modern species. Education, as always, is the only real answer.



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